On the record...

[infection]

This is not the right analogy… the hunting and gathering of picks lasts for a little while not in perpetuity. The correct analogy is this is like the young married couple that is struggling financially and can’t buy a house… instead of continuing the struggle they move in with the in laws for a little while to save money for a down payment and a little security. Now it might suck **** for a year but in a year they can save 5-10 times what the could otherwise. So over a 10 year period will they be sad they paused for a year or two to make the other 8 years better? Bet they won’t…

Now along the way some good or bad things could happen that speed up or slow down that strategy… no one will be happy if the couple just turn into losers that live with their parents forever. That isn’t the goal at all. It’s taking on some pain for a long term goal you really want. The goal is not to take on pain forever… that’s ridiculous.

The young couple struggles financially but owns their own house. They move in with parents to save money and cash out the equity. They lose 6% in the process (more when equity is the calculated denominator), lose their sub 3% interest rate, and when they’re ready buy again have a 5% interest rate in an inflated market.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The young couple struggles financially but owns their own house. They move in with parents to save money and cash out the equity. They lose 6% in the process (more when equity is the calculated denominator), lose their sub 3% interest rate, and when they’re ready buy again have a 5% interest rate in an inflated market.

Versus losing their house and racking up mountains of credit card debt to finance their life... eventually declaring bankruptcy and making them ineligible to get a mortgage for like 5-7 years... they get divorced and dad ends up a homeless methhead in Yuba City, CA... mom goes to work with @Hearsky 's mom turning tricks behind the 7/11... the kids live with the grandparents and never contact their parents but end up okay (I'm not a monster).

That is what you wanted?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean the most obvious call is that Colin Sexton will be playing for the Utah Jazz this year. That deal is there just obviously waiting on something else.

I like Sexton as an investment, but I'm done with undersized 2 guards. . .

I like him as an investment. With the right backcourt pairing it could work (tough to find). I think he has that dawg in him and would at least make things fun.

If Indiana hadn't gotten Mathurin and Detroit hadn't got Ivey I think pairing him with Haliburton or Cade would have worked well. He'd work with a Lonzo type too... they are tough guys to fit but at the price (said to want 20M a year) he is going to be a value... especially if he takes a leap in his development.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know the tank/hoarding of picks isn't like super appealing to some. It is not dumb though. Teams in markets like our need to build through the draft... making that draft capital flow like wine will give it the best chance of working out. There are no guarantees with any strategy. We squandered the Rudy/Don opportunity a bit with some short sightedness. Some bad stategery in the front office and coaching contributed to a quicker than normal demise. We may have sold a year too early, but I'd rather sell a year too early than a year too late (the old I'd rather be an hour early to an important meeting than 5 minutes late).

I have faith in Danny (just threw up in my mouth a little) and its promising that Ryan is letting Danny lead.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I mean the most obvious call is that Colin Sexton will be playing for the Utah Jazz this year. That deal is there just obviously waiting on something else.

I like Sexton as an investment, but I'm done with undersized 2 guards. . .

That is probably the least obvious thing.

S&T's are really hard to work out, even if both teams want to do them.

Cleveland wants to keep Sexton, they just see an opportunity to keep him on a bargain.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That is probably the least obvious thing.

S&T's are really hard to work out, even if both teams want to do them.

Cleveland wants to keep Sexton, they just see an opportunity to keep him on a bargain.

I'm not sure how much they want to keep him. Brought in Levert, signing Rubio, kinda puts them in a bind with the tax if his number goes where he wants. I think his QO is $7M... if he signs that he's out next year. They are offering 3/$40m supposedly... I think the QO might be the best route if they don't move up (unless he has a player option on the last year of that deal).

I think a deal is workable and we might be able to do it with JC and some seconds or other pieces we get in vet/Don trades. I would say the chances it happens are much less than 50%... so no sure thing at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

A JC for Sexton sign and trade is close enough moneywise to massage the numbers and make it work. Might also add in a Bogey for Lauri swap... there are multiple workable scenarios to make the money work. Its the normal trade questions that might get in the way - which players, picks, etc do the teams prefer.

 

[Elizah Huge]

A JC for Sexton sign and trade is close enough moneywise to massage the numbers and make it work. Might also add in a Bogey for Lauri swap... there are multiple workable scenarios to make the money work. Its the normal trade questions that might get in the way - which players, picks, etc do the teams prefer.

Clarkson puts them about 500k into the tax. According to their beat they want to avoid going into the tax. It’s close enough we could make it work by adding in another piece or two.

 

[outerspacefan]

<...> I hate that we traded Gobert... I hope he gets a ring and a couple more DPOY...

You've summed it up nice and concisely.
Won't change my mind on it any time soon.

 

[outerspacefan]

I hate that Jazzfanz are rooting for Gobert to win a title. That’s just one more year the jazz aren’t winning. Anyone rooting for Gobert to win is an idiot, and I was the biggest Gobert homer here. I moved on when the jazz did.

I moved on and I'm an idiot.
You can actually be in two mind/heart places (or a hundred).

 

[outerspacefan]

Just not wired that way. If I see Gobert win with the Wolves, All I’ll think is wtf couldn’t Gobert win with Utah. That would just infuriate me more than anything. That is the last thing I want to see happen...

Well... I've got to concede that if Wolves win it all with Rudy shooting and making jumpers and hooks I will be a little bit annoyed... but I still will be fine with Rudy.

 

[KqWIN]

Well, at least he can rebound like a big man. I don't think people really have any clue what they're not aware of with having never seen Rudy paired with a real PF who both spreads the floor and grabs boards. What Minnesota does could very well be making a large contingent of our fandom asking "couldn't we have kept Rudy and done this?" and the answer to that will be yes, and the rest of everyone else will allay their concerns by saying that you could only do that with a hindsight bias and that "nobody could have ever known that you could have had a winning combination with Gobert, the Wolves just happened to find it!"

Yeah….To give up like we did I think you have to have some feeling of, “we did all we could and it wasn’t enough”. But that is so far from the truth with this recent version of the Jazz.

I said this way back, but if I was a GM and believed I did not suck at my job I would have absolutely done what I could to win with Rudy and Don (or whatever winning player(s) you trade Don for).

Anyone can tank and it’s a permanently available option. Having Rudy and Don was a true power position and if I had confidence in making good moves I’d definitely move forward with them.

Last year was pretty close to worst case scenario and the Jazz were still a top 3 SRS team. If you don’t suck as a FO, make the moves to address the weaknesses. They were obvious, well defined, and not impossible to address.