Pissing Match

[Stoked]

That's not the sticking point on an agreement. Boehner has flat out said there will be no new revenue, no matter what. That's the sticking point.

The republicans have flat out said that the cuts are going to happen. Sounds liek a sticking point to me.

 

[Stoked]

Again, Boehner said he won't even consider any plan that includes new revenue. The dems (Obama, Reed, Pelosi) have said they will agree to spending cuts as long as there is a tax increase, even if it's just closing the loopholes Romney said he would close. Boehner said that is not going to happen.

There is some debate about when and where the spending cuts should happen, and how much they should be. But everyone is in agreement that at some point there should be cuts in some areas.

I think the reublicans say this because there was already one round of new taxes/revenue and the republicans do not want more.

 

[One Brow]

Totally off subject. This thread is about the government threatening the the 1st amendment.

What's the threat, besides a generic "you'll regret it"?

You know what Woodward should regret? He is actively campaigning for Obama to assert even more executive authority by defying a Congressional budget. As much as the senior official should not use that language, in this case Woodward is in the wrong, and I don't see the "regret" comment as definitively indicating anything stronger than that.

 

[One Brow]

He want sto stop the spending cuts. Republicans even offered leaving the cuts up to the Presidents discretion as long as they happened.

YOu can have that for starters.

Obama wants to stop spending on tax credits. Will the Republicans let him do that?

 

[One Brow]

I think the reublicans say this because there was already one round of new taxes/revenue and the republicans do not want more.

This is a false statement, of course. The Republicans voted for a more limited tax cut than they wanted to vote for, not a tax increase.

 

[Stoked]

This is a false statement, of course. The Republicans voted for a more limited tax cut than they wanted to vote for, not a tax increase.

If I read correctly there were increases to revenue in there. The carrot the left got for offering the right the carrot of tax cuts.

 

[Stoked]

Obama wants to stop spending on tax credits. Will the Republicans let him do that?

Probably not.

 

[One Brow]

If I read correctly there were increases to revenue in there. The carrot the left got for offering the right the carrot of tax cuts.

Looking through the provisions in the Wikipedia article, I didn't see anything that increased over pre-2003 levels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Taxpayer_Relief_Act_of_2012

 

[SaltyDawg]

I think the reublicans say this because there was already one round of new taxes/revenue and the republicans do not want more.

As One Brow pointed out, there wasn't a tax increase, there was a smaller tax cut than they wanted.

Even so, it doesn't really matter why they don't want it. The fact remains that this is the sticking point to an agreement. Obama has already offered much bigger spending cuts than most democrats want to see, but Boehner refuses to consider anything that includes a tax increase.

 

[Stoked]

As One Brow pointed out, there wasn't a tax increase, there was a smaller tax cut than they wanted.

Even so, it doesn't really matter why they don't want it. The fact remains that this is the sticking point to an agreement. Obama has already offered much bigger spending cuts than most democrats want to see, but Boehner refuses to consider anything that includes a tax increase.

In my opnion Boehner is right.

Edit: With the exception of closing some tax loopholes.

 

[franklin]

That's not the sticking point on an agreement. Boehner has flat out said there will be no new revenue, no matter what. That's the sticking point.

The republicans just gave Obama a bunch of tax increases in exchange for time to work on sequester spending cuts. Is your memory really this short?

 

[franklin]

If I read correctly there were increases to revenue in there. The carrot the left got for offering the right the carrot of tax cuts.

Well, you were technically lying since the old cuts expired and the republicans agreed on new rates than were higher than the old rates, but lower than the old old rates. Get it? We don't need to be honest with each other around here, Stoked. Just technical.