Police Brutality

[Scat]

But back to the Sheriff. This is the guy, who single-handedly made a successful arrest of three redneck survivalists who refused to vacate their desert plot after declaring taxes illegal and refusing to pay, and refused to be served eviction notices. They put him under live fire, eighty miles from town. He talked them down, and took them in. No taser needed.

He should have shot their asses. They apparently didn't have a problem shooting his... just saying.

 

[Stoked]

Babe go back and read my response and his post I quoted. He says all cops are that way and that is crap. Clearly there are some back cops. I even said so. But if you are going to stand there and say they are all bad then that is pure crap to. i personally know some cops that are good, hard working, smart mena dn women. You cannot stand there. I will not accept someone telling me they are bad.

So your stance is idiotic (not you, your stance) and I could care less if you neg me. Hit me again.

 

[TroutBum]

Babe go back and read my response and his post I quoted. He says all cops are that way and that is crap. Clearly there are some back cops. I even said so. But if you are going to stand there and say they are all bad then that is pure crap to. i personally know some cops that are good, hard working, smart mena dn women. You cannot stand there. I will not accept someone telling me they are bad.

So your stance is idiotic (not you, your stance) and I could care less if you neg me. Hit me again.

Of course you're right, and Babe knows this. You'd be hard pressed to find 1 cop in 100 that isn't worth his/her salt. If T-Ville is any indication of how other agencies are run (at least in Utah), you've got some of the bravest and selfless people in the world out there putting their lives on the line so you, I, our families, and friends can all sleep better at night. I can't imagine what cops and their families have to endure; the heartache, the worry, the sleepless nights -- all so we can live a little easier. There is no greater calling in this life than to serve and protect, and my hat's off to anyone who proudly and diligently wears a badge.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Biggest problem I have, is how fat that **** was. I know Ive said this already, but if the ******* actually was in shape, he'd be able to catch up to this woman and the her down, preventing the need for tasters and what not. I mean come on. You're a cop. You gotta be able to chase after people on foot. This entire mess could have been curtailed if police forces actually focused on fitness with their staff. From what I hear, it is incredibly difficult to pass a physical exam in order to become a cop (at least here in the city that I live in). Why not maintain those standards?

 

[TroutBum]

Biggest problem I have, is how fat that **** was. I know Ive said this already, but if the ******* actually was in shape, he'd be able to catch up to this woman and the her down, preventing the need for tasters and what not. I mean come on. You're a cop. You gotta be able to chase after people on foot. This entire mess could have been curtailed if police forces actually focused on fitness with their staff. From what I hear, it is incredibly difficult to pass a physical exam in order to become a cop (at least here in the city that I live in). Why not maintain those standards?

Devils advocate here (I love being part of His team): That cop was working the front counter at the jail because of a disability that he has. He was shot while on duty and had a large portion of his intestines removed, has to use a colostomy, etc. Being "fit" isn't really in his job description.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Devils advocate here (I love being part of His team): That cop was working the front counter at the jail because of a disability that he has. He was shot while on duty and had a large portion of his intestines removed, has to use a colostomy, etc. Being "fit" isn't really in his job description.

Well, now this gets a bit interesting. How are the benefits for retired police officers? As far as I know, in Canada they are decent. Quite frankly, if you aren't at 100% fitness, I don't know if the police force is for you. It sounds harsh, I know. Honestly, the fact that that officer was shot (probably on duty) is a testament to how much he cares for his job- if he was willing to jump right back into becoming a cop. So, it would be hard to not let this person become a cop due to an injury he sustained on the job. However: when we let physically unfit officers on the police force, incidences like these are bound to happen.

 

[franklin]

This guy has no case and this is going to cost the taxpaying citizens of Florida a ton of money.

For those pretending tasers are not a problem? Wrong.

Florida has had 65 Taser-related deaths since 2001, the second highest total behind California, which had 92.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...se-of-taser-on-woman-raises-questions/1215998

FLORIDA HIGHWAY PATROL
POLICY MANUAL

https://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/Manuals/1005.pdf

10.05.02 POLICY
Members of the Florida Highway Patrol shall in every instance seek to employ the minimum amount of control required to successfully overcome physical resistance, prevent escapes, and effect arrests. Members’ actions must be objectively reasonable in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation. It is the policy of the Florida Highway Patrol to use only that level of force that reasonably appears necessary to control non-compliant individuals who have escalated their level of resistance from passive physical resistance to active physical resistance (i.e.: bracing, tensing, pushing, or pulling). ECDs may be used by authorized and trained personnel in accordance with FHP Policy 10.01 and additional guidelines established in this policy.

It's more than clear from that video that very light, traditional levels of force were all that was necessary.

C. DEPLOYMENT
In accordance with Section 943.1717(1), Florida Statutes, a member’s decision to deploy the ECD shall involve an arrest or custodial situation during which the person who is the subject of the arrest or custody escalates resistance to the member from passive physical resistance to active physical resistance, and the person:

(a) Has the apparent ability to physically threaten the member or others; or,

(b) Is preparing or attempting to flee or escape. (NOTE: Fleeing cannot be the sole reason for deployment of the ECD.)

1. The ECD is considered an intermediate control device, and the decision to utilize it involves the same basic justifications as with the use of the ASR. Unless exigent circumstances exist, members shall not use the device in the following situations:


(b) On a handcuffed or secured prisoner;

(d) Unless the use of deadly force is justified, in any environment where the subject’s fall could reasonably result in death (such as in water or on an elevated structure); and

NOTE: There may be incidents in which the use of an ECD conflicts with
(b) through (e) above. In those cases, the use of the ECD must be based on justifiable facts and are subject to “Use of Control” supervisory review.

"It just doesn't make any sense," said Greg Connor, a professor at the University of Illinois Police Training Institute who specializes in use of force. "I don't see where it's going to be that hard to apprehend her."

But experts said Cole made a series of mistakes that led to Maudsley getting away from him.

Nationally known use-of-force expert Dave Klinger, a retired Los Angeles police officer and professor at the University of Missouri-St. Louis, reviewed the dashcam video Friday and noted Maudsley was handcuffed in the front, which he called an "inappropriate" police tactic...

"If you have somebody in custody, you don't put them in a situation where they can escape," Klinger said. "Why in the world was she in a position to run?"

Lorie Frindell, associate criminology professor at the University of South Florida, once worked for the Washington, D.C.-based Police Executive Research Forum, which concluded that fleeing shouldn't be the sole justification for Taser use and that the officer should consider the severity of the offense, the suspect's threat level and the risk of serious injury to the suspect.

In this case, Maudsley was facing nonviolent offenses.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...se-of-taser-on-woman-raises-questions/1215998

"Prior to deploying your Taser, did you give a verbal warning that you were going to use it?" he was asked.

"No, I did not," says Trooper Cole.

https://www.wtsp.com/news/article/2...-woman-Danielle-Maudsley-I-needed-to-stop-her

4. When reasonable, members preparing to fire the device should announce a verbal warning such as, “Stop Resisting, Taser!, Taser!, Taser!” to warn the violator, and to alert other officers at the scene of the impending deployment.

https://www.flhsmv.gov/fhp/Manuals/1005.pdf

 

[babe]

Babe go back and read my response and his post I quoted. He says all cops are that way and that is crap. Clearly there are some back cops. I even said so. But if you are going to stand there and say they are all bad then that is pure crap to. i personally know some cops that are good, hard working, smart mena dn women. You cannot stand there. I will not accept someone telling me they are bad.

So your stance is idiotic (not you, your stance) and I could care less if you neg me. Hit me again.

OK, so I'll say it again, too.

I realize that folks who call police "pigs" and who will call it brutality when anything gets out of hand on the cop side, like a reflex judgment just waiting to pop off about it. . . . might be just crapping over everything.

I realize that most cops will face situations where their life is at risk and a snap judgment has got to be made, and the willingness to protect his own life is about all that stands between the wannabe murderer and my own kids' safety anywhere they might be.

I realize that it takes a whole lot of crazy for someone at a police front desk being booked for a six-months' old charge of any kind to just bolt and run while handcuffed, and if you ask me she was probably strung out on meth too, and it was only a hundred yards to the highway in the background. It looked like it was about two steps out the door where she was tazed, but she was running fast too. So it probably took the officer about three seconds to get the tazor shot off. So I think the officer in question did it virtually on reflex, which I think is as bad as calling cops "pigs" on reflex.

There should have been a couple of other cops in hot pursuit out that door, and they could have taken her easily if they were just normal runners.

I am of the opinion that tazors are not something I want the police using casually. Maybe in the case of someone brandishing a knife in a threatning way where someone is gonna get hurt if anyone goes near, especially if looking down the barrel of gun the dude still doesn't have the sense to drop it. I'd consider it's use in that case clearly justified.

I am of the opinion that it's a good thing for the cops to take the high ground and enforce some discipline in their own ranks about how to use force, and that it's in the public interest to weed out the hair-trigger officers who are losing their cool when there is no imminent threat to their own lives or the lives of others. I admit this chick could have become such a threat if she bolted out into a busy highway, and maybe if that was the concern we could give this officer some slack.

But I'm going with the ACLU spokesman who was interviewed on this case, not with the police chief who was interviewed way off in what-was-it Dallas six months later, right after another person was tazed while in handcuffs there.

I think with several hundred deaths per year from tazing, we have to keep the use from just becoming routine. It really just looks like we're making Frankinstein monsters outta our police sometimes to have them out there popping off on old geezers, little old ladies and scarecrow kids who are unarmed.

All that said, it breaks my heart when I hear of a case like the sheriff in Millard County a little over a year ago who was doing a routine traffic stop, and the druggie perv just shot her dead point-blank when she walked up to his car.

 

[TroutBum]

FWIW, I made up the story about the cop being shot. I thought I was pretty clear about that, but it seems that it may have come across as true.

Anyhow, I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree and see what happens. I think it's a shame that the girl was harmed. I think it's a shame that a good cop (by all accounts) has to go through this. I think it's a shame that the tax payers will bare the brunt of the costs. Crappy situation all around. (that all could've been avoided by obeying the laws of the land -- but let's blame the cop)

 

[Archie Moses]

FWIW, I made up the story about the cop being shot. I thought I was pretty clear about that, but it seems that it may have come across as true.

Anyhow, I guess we'll all just have to agree to disagree and see what happens. I think it's a shame that the girl was harmed. I think it's a shame that a good cop (by all accounts) has to go through this. I think it's a shame that the tax payers will bare the brunt of the costs. Crappy situation all around. (that all could've been avoided by obeying the laws of the land -- but let's blame the cop)

This.

 

[franklin]

(that all could've been avoided if the cop had obeyed the laws of the land -- but let's blame the girl completely)

Fixed it.

You completely ruined an otherwise good post by beanclown79ifying the end.

GVC succinctly hit the nail on the head BTW. Autocratic police states like North Korea suck. But I defend your right to promote them.

 

[TroutBum]

Fixed it.

You completely ruined an otherwise good post by beanclown79ifying the end.

GVC succinctly hit the nail on the head BTW. Autocratic police states like North Korea suck. But I defend your right to promote them.

Of course I Bean'd it, that was the idea. I do find it hard to believe that when it's all said and done, you actually do blame the cop for this. You'd make a great DUI lawyer.