Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[The Midnight]

As much as I'd like Vonleh back. I dont think Charlotte will trade him they got so lucky to land that pick in the first place, then they feel like he fell in their laps, they'd definitely push Zeller.

You'd never know though.



They do get Hayward in return which they wouldn't have otherwise since it's likely we'll match. Zeller played well for them last year. They're definitely in a 'win now' mode and Vonleh is a project.

 

[The Midnight]

A sign and trade with Charlotte is not possible once Hayward signs the offer sheet (which he will), FYI.

He hasn't yet.

 

[cowhide]

That is flawed logic and using the Nets is a poor example. The Jazz are not going over the cap to sign Hayward and if they match are still well below the cap, so your assertion that if they max Hayward they will have to raise ticket prices is absurd. Ticket prices will go up and will continue to go up regardless of who gets what and when.

Why is the Nets a poor example? Of course they aren't with just Hayward but they have other players to pay and if a year or two they are competing for playoff spots and want to bring in a max player the flexibility changes really fast. You make it sound as though cap space is unlimited. The majority of teams are capped out and thus are having to move players or let them go. Of course ticket prices don't go up when a business has more costs. It never happens that business people pass to their customers new costs. Silly me.

 

[cowhide]

To be fair, in all my posts linking the two names I've clearly stated Hayward isn't close to Manu yet. Manu also came to the NBA when he was 25. Hayward turns 25 next season.

Did Manu get paid a max deal when he came into the league?

 

[cowhide]

Because Hayward still has a good chance to greatly improve as soon as this upcoming season. But the main point is that we have to match for the sole purpose we won't be able to spend that money anywhere else. Although that seems like an awful reason to match, it is the reality given the Jazz will never be able to lure a max-level FA. That's the bottom line.

There are other FAs out there that the Jazz can get that don't require giving out max deals. Parsons, Ariza, Deng etc. Take on a bad contract one year and get another first

 

[cowhide]

I've got a better one.


S&T Hayward to CHA, with the option of swapping Kanter with Vonleh.


We get a better defender with Vonleh who is a true PF and is a better fit next to Favors.


Burke/Neto
Exum/Burks
Hood/Marvin
Vonleh/Evans
Favors/Gobert


Nice young team going forward.

I wouldn't say that is a better idea. Jazz give up two NBA players for a rookie. Charlotte would jump on that real fast.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Did Manu get paid a max deal when he came into the league?

Forget the contract - I'm just speaking as a player and what GH brings (more importantly, can potentially bring)... Like I said a few times already, that money that will go to Hayward wouldn't/couldn't be used to bring in someone better because no one signs with the Jazz. It'd be one thing if we were a playoff team, but last year was a dumpster fire and no one is signing up for that in a small market.

 

[cowhide]

To be fair, in all my posts linking the two names I've clearly stated Hayward isn't close to Manu yet. Manu also came to the NBA when he was 25. Hayward turns 25 next season.

I sorry if I implied it was you but other people have used Hayward is close to Manu as their argument. So again, if you didn't say that I am sorry for suggesting you did.

 

[kyjazzfan]

Why not offer Parsons 4 year 12 million and call it a day? It isn't just the money that is the issue, but if Hayward gets $16 a year then all the players on the Jazz are going to use that as part of their negotiating tactic. Jazz can't even say Well, Hayward improved so he earned the contract...Nope he is getting a max contract after his worse year. Hayward even admitted that the loss of AJ and Millsap made it more difficult to get his shot off. Now you want to pay him max money even though he isn't a number one option. if DL does this deal it will be AK all over again.

Wait until Hayward starts clanking shots or turning the ball over the pressure will be immense and if this past season is an example on how Hayward can handle the pressure than it could get ugly real fast.

It'll be interesting to see what Parsons gets. But there seems to be enough interest in him (and enough teams with plenty of cap room), that I really think he'll get more than 12 mill/yr. My guess is that he'll get close to the max when it's all said and done. But even if he doesn't... there's enough interest in him that I doubt the Jazz are his first choice in destinations. After LBJ and Bosh make their decisions, I expect Parsons to be in high demand. Which mean the likelyhood of him coming to Utah becomes very slim.

So I think really our choices are... match Hayward, or overpay on a bunch of one year players just meet the cap floor and keep cap flexibility. Which I'm not sure will really help anyway. Since there seems to be more teams with cap flexibility than elite players... I think some teams will be forced to keep there cap flexibility which means the market will be inflated again next year as well. So we'd be back in the same boat again of having to overpay a FA, only without Hayward. Not a pretty scenario. At least this way, we are making some use of our cap room on a prospect they think has a good chance to continue to improve.

 

[fishonjazz]

Anyone who thinks the Jazz will be hurt financially by this and wont have any space in the coming years are ignorant and don't know what they're talking about.

Well you could probably survive financially if you were to give me 100 dollars so you should just go ahead and give me money...... cause you can.

 

[addictionary]

So once you pay him he is going to be the All-star player that his supporters think he is. Maybe this is as good as it gets with Hayward. He has been in the league for 4 years and his numbers have been going down. Not saying that Hayward isn't a good player but you don't pay the max to a player who hasn't proven he is capable of being that guy.

I agree that he has never performed the level of a max. salary player, but I believe he will become one. Still no excuse for giving him that much money unless you lack the space to stash your cash, but it kinda leaves me undecided whether to match or not is the clever choice for the Jazz. His potential got addictive or something, I dunno.

 

[fishonjazz]

I just voted yes to the match. I've struggled with the idea of matching a max offer to G-Time, but I've finally come around. Obviously, not the popular opinion, but here's the thought process on what tipped my opinion in Gordo's favor:

-Tyrone Corbin and his staff were HORRIBLE at player development. I can honestly say that Hayward (as well as others) were held back from reaching their full potential under Corbin. Now, that's not to say that I think Hayward can be a 25/8/8 player, but I do think it's realistic to say that with the proper player develpment staff in place, he still has yet to hit his ceiling.

-It sounds like the offer sheet includes a player opt out in year 4. If Hayward under performs, he'd most assuredly opt in for year 4, but that gives the Jazz an expiring deal to possibly move. Not only that, but if 3 years down the road, Utah is making a push towards contention and they find themselves unable to move an under performing Hayward, I could see the Miller family agreeing to an amnesty if it meant the move would result in Utah adding a player that made us legit contenders.

-Lindsay is a smart man. I do believe he will be able to find a way to jettison Hayward if need be in order to keep other key cogs in place (Exum, Burke, etc).

-I'm of the firm belief that on a very talented team, Hayward is that much more valuable of a player. He does a lot of things that can affect the outcome of a game. If Favors continues to improve, Exum turns out to be all that we dreamed of, and Burke solidifies himself, I see Hayward improving greatly as a guy who is no longer the main focus of opposing teams scouting reports.

Flame away, but I match the contract. I don't think Hayward has hit his ceiling and if Snyder lives up to his rep as a player development guru, this contract doesn't look so bad 2 or 3 years down the road.

Flame on.

Not a horrible post. (Much better than the whole "we have money so we should just spend it durp durp" arguement)

I dont think we will be able to amnesty hayward though