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Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

Should They Match?

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    181
  • Poll closed .
Originally Posted by JAZZGASM No. It is not giving money away. If I want to buy a rare painting that I have had on display in my museum. The owner has a relationship with my museum, so he is willing to match any offers to allow me to keep it. I can either match what the market dictates, or I can look for other paintings to fill the space. If another painting I like as much or more can be acquired for cheaper, I buy it. If not, and I don't want an empty display in my museum, I pay the value the market dictates.
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Jazz are going to pay $63M for a painting of "Dogs Playing Poker." It's overvalued. In fact, there are similar paintings out there that are selling for less. But you HAVE to fill that empty space. And if some foolish art collector says those damn dogs are worth $63M, then that's what you tell the visitors to your museum. And next season or the year after, you can't make any other acquisitions because you have that damn $63M painting on the wall and no cash in the bank. Sorry, but a museum with a $63M Dog is never going to be an elite museum.
 
I voted yes, but I don't think he is worth it. I just hope with better coaching and a better system he will be better and come close to being worth it. But if it was my money or the Jazz where in a tougher financial situation, I would say no to signing him for that much.
 
The Pearl said:
I have interpreted that line of reasoning more as it pertains to hamstringing the Jazz's overall cap situation vs. bad contract relative to the player.
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I guess I only care about the former if what we're really hearing is that the Jazz won't be spending up to the cap in the near future no matter what so we have to pay out what ownership is willing to pay. If that's the case, then we all should find another team to root for. We won't because fandom is essentially mental illness in disguise, but we should.

ijazz said:
Man this forum is a bunch of whiners against our own team.

Maybe Locke was right and we should root for our players.

I've been on the Hornets forum and they are so excited, some think overpaid a bit, but like him a lot and worth the risk.

Just pointing it out......
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NBA Free Agency is a long exercise in teams falling in love with guys that other teams with more specific experience and personal knowledge have soured on. So it has always been and so it shall ever be.

JAZZGASM said:
Additionally, the Jazz have about $37M in contracts once we sign Hood and Exum. We have to spend 90% of the $63M cap (about $57M).

If you don't pay it to Hayward, who do you pay it to? I don't want them to sign a few veterans that will take more playing time from our young core, and knowing the Jazz, that is what they do. I don't want more Richard Jefferson types that won't help us develop our young guys.

Lets keep our young core intact and grow into something special.
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Two points:

1) The penalty for not spending to the floor is basically non-existent. It just means that the guys on the roster get extra money (that no one has used this as a tactic to give max guys extra is honestly a little surprising at this point). In that sense, the Jazz don't "have" to do anything.
2) You don't have to hit the floor by opening day. The Jazz could go into the season below the floor and become the importer with arbitrage benefits in trade deadline transactions to acquire more assets from teams that want to get under the tax line. Using Gordo to spend to the floor now is throwing away the opportunity to costlessly use that room during the season. No one thinks we're in contention this season.

colton said:
So make Parsons a $11-12 million offer at midnight tonight, tell him he's got just under 3 days to accept it, and if he hasn't accepted it by then match Hayward. Would he really turn it down? Maybe, but he's very likely NOT going to have any more offers to consider this early in free agency since most other teams will be waiting around for Lebron & Co.
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I get the feeling Parsons has a wink-wink deal with Houston as he does not seem to be seriously entertaining any other teams. I'm far more interested in Luol Deng's asking price at this point. It feels like it's lower than Haywards.
 
illyasova said:
he does not deserve a contract that much, so if Burks and Kanter play their best way in their contract season, we gotta give the key of the organization or SLC to them?
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That's not really how it works. The market sets the contract value for players. A player can't simply demand a certain amount. If we don't match Hayward then you send a message to other FOs(the market) that the Jazz might posture a bit but ultimately will fold. This would increase the number of offers Burks and Kanter would get not decrease them.

Regardless of what you think Hayward deserves he is getting that contract. The idea that by not matching our other guys wouldn't test FA for fear that they may get overpaid by another team is laughable.

We will match. In 4 years, hopefully, we will have enough assets that DL can let him go with a smile on his face.
 
heyhey said:
That's not really how it works. The market sets the contract value for players. A player can't simply demand a certain amount. If we don't match Hayward then you send a message to other FOs(the market) that the Jazz might posture a bit but ultimately will fold. This would increase the number of offers Burks and Kanter would get not decrease them.

Regardless of what you think Hayward deserves he is getting that contract. The idea that by not matching our other guys wouldn't test FA for fear that they may get overpaid by another team is laughable.

We will match. In 4 years, hopefully, we will have enough assets that DL can let him go with a smile on his face.
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Or resign him to a more appropriate contract. Time will tell.
 
colton said:
So make Parsons a $11-12 million offer at midnight tonight, tell him he's got just under 3 days to accept it, and if he hasn't accepted it by then match Hayward. Would he really turn it down? Maybe, but he's very likely NOT going to have any more offers to consider this early in free agency since most other teams will be waiting around for Lebron & Co.
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I agree but don't think 11-12M is enough to get it done. I'd go four years, 57M. That's 1.5M cheaper than Gordo's deal annually and I think enough that the Rockets wouldn't match if they get Bosh. Maybe I'm wrong though.
 
Sirkickyass said:
I get the feeling Parsons has a wink-wink deal with Houston as he does not seem to be seriously entertaining any other teams. I'm far more interested in Luol Deng's asking price at this point. It feels like it's lower than Haywards.
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Great post on all accounts.
Yes, I agree Parsons likely has agreed with Houston on a contract amount. He could pull a Boozer, but the difference is he's a RFA so it's not certain he could get away, even if he wanted.

Deng is a good option. Haven't really heard much about him in connection with other teams. And BTW, Carroll is an UFA next year. Don't discount him wanting to join Snyder. Certainly not a great shooter, but he's 10x the leader Hayward is just by his effort on the court.
 
I'd rather is risking not matching and waiting for a true max player to emerge than become a treadmill team
 
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