Poll: Should the Jazz Match Hayward's $15.75 a year/4 year Contract?

[Dr. Jones]

Another question... (I am a true novice at the nuances of all CBA)

Can we use our space to extend a player or players with a heavily front-loaded contract?

 

[BTP]

Nice try, but let's face it this is all speculation at this point.

Most of it is salary cap maths. And then you can make a point that all the teams may favor unrestricted guys like Dragic, Rondo, Green and whatever to not limit their cap space for 72 hours to only go home empty handed when there's 20 guys available.

 

[BTP]

Another question... (I am a true novice at the nuances of all CBA)

Can we use our space to re-sign a player or players with a heavily front-loaded contract?

Only 7.5% in- and decreases allowed. So we can't do something like: year 1: $20M year 2: $1M

 

[Dr. Jones]

Only 7.5% in- and decreases allowed. So we can't do something like: year 1: $20M year 2: $1M

Gotcha. Makes sense.

Thanks!

 

[GVC]

I don't think it's fair to call Alec a non-shooter. If you ignore his 9 heaves from beyond midcourt last season, he shot 37% from 3, including a team best 42% on catch-and-shoots (per NBA.com's player tracking data) and 43.2% on spot-ups (per synergysports). The volume isn't there, but I think that's more a function of his on-ball role off the bench.

 

[ema]

Another question... (I am a true novice at the nuances of all CBA)

Can we use our space to extend a player or players with a heavily front-loaded contract?

I've asked exactly this before but apparently it's only the 4.5% increase/decrease with the new CBA. (old was 7,5 iirc)

But there are this poison pill contracts teams made with the new CBA(Aşık contract) but I don't know if it works reverse way(front-loaded).

 

[Game6Conley]

2018 if development is better than anticipated at earliest barring some contributing veteran additions.



I know how good Brook is, he just hasn't been healthy in years. Teams know that risk. 5-74-18 are his regular season games in the last 3 seasons. If he plays 82 on a high level, he'll get paid.
If he plays 75 on a mediocre level(for his standards) he may be better off confirming his durability in 15/16.

Also all of the underlined guys are a reason why next year it won't such a free agency gangbang party like this summer. Way too many productive but not max guys when you consider the overall capspace that teams have.

I also like that match at the deadline strategy by Lindsey. Shows guys going after Burks: Don't **** with Utah in RFA or we stick it right back to you.

Theres other big name players that i didnt list. Including very interesting Restricted players Kahwi Leonard and Klay Thompson. Nic Vucevic will get paid big-time hes restricted too.

Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Rudy Gay.... dare i say.. Al Jefferson

Arron Afflalo is Unrestricted, so is Jeremy Lin

Kemba Walker is restricted, so is Jimmy Butler, Ricky Rubio, Patrick Beverley, Draymond Green and Brandon Knight,

I dont think next summer will be the best market for Enes to fish for a big deal, It looks like there's a ton of quality bigs. I wouldnt be suprised to see Roy Hibbert and David West opt out if they have big seasons also.

Also it doesnt matter if those underlined guys arent Max worthy, they dont need to get paid the max.

I'd much rather have Trevor Ariza here for 3 years 29 mil this year sign Wes Mathews next year, all for the Price of Gordon.

Like i said i can come up with 100's of 2-for-1 or 3-for-1 scenarios of bundles of players id rather have than Hayward at 4 years 63 mil

 

[BTP]

I don't think it's fair to call Alec a non-shooter. If you ignore his 9 heaves from beyond midcourt last season, he shot 37% from 3, including a team best 42% on catch-and-shoots (per NBA.com's player tracking data) and 43.2% on spot-ups (per synergysports). The volume isn't there, but I think that's more a function of his on-ball role off the bench.

He's not elite that's my point. Good %s on a small sample size aren't worth too much in the league. He increases his numbers furthers and triples attempts, then I call him a good shooter. Now he's an opportunistic shooter. Can we agree on that?

 

[BTP]

I've asked exactly this before but apparently it's only the 4.5% increase/decrease with the new CBA. (old was 7,5 iirc)

But there are this poison pill contracts teams made with the new CBA(Aşık contract) but I don't know if it works reverse way(front-loaded).

4.5% for guys you hand an offer sheet. 7.5% for guys you retain with bird rights.

Poison Pill works for guys that enter restricted free agency early. They're prohibited to earn more than the best earning rookies during years 3 and 4. Don't know exactly the rules. If it's: "You can't earn more overall during your first 4 years than the #1 pick of that year" or if it's "you can't earn more than the #1 pick of that draft class in any year before year 4".
Gilbert Arenas provision is the name of the rule. Asik was RFA after year 2. That's why he was eligible.

 

[BTP]

Theres other big name players that i didnt list.

Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Rudy Gay.... dare i say.. Al Jefferson,

I dont this will be the best market for Enes to fish for a big deal, looks like theres a ton of quality bigs.

Also it doesnt matter if those underlined guys arent Max worthy, they dont need to get paid the max.

I'd much rather have Trevor Ariza here for 3 years 29 mil this year sign Wes Mathews next year, all for the Price of Gordon.

Like i said i can come up with 100's of 2 for 1 or 3 for one scenarios of bundles of players id rather have than Hayward at 4 years 63 mil

I simply have a different perspective. A 90 year old Ariza and Matthews won't help us in 2018-2023. Gordon Hayward will be 28-33 by then. Even if his deal is ****ty now, in 2017 and 2018 free agency doesn't project to become such a mess. And a 27/28 year old guy is getting paid value for his prime, not upside and restricted free agent leverage money.

 

[ema]

4.5% for guys you hand an offer sheet. 7.5% for guys you retain with bird rights.

Poison Pill works for guys that enter restricted free agency early. They're prohibited to earn more than the best earning rookies during years 3 and 4. Don't know exactly the rules. If it's: "You can't earn more overall during your first 4 years than the #1 pick of that year" or if it's "you can't earn more than the #1 pick of that draft class in any year before year 4".
Gilbert Arenas provision is the name of the rule. Asik was RFA after year 2. That's why he was eligible.

OK, found my expert.

How about signing bonuses? Do they count on the whole contract or can we give it in the first year, for instance?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Of players making greater than $15M/, where would Hayward rank on your list?