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I jerked off while reading this thread. WhiskyPriest took me to the next level. I guess I can skip my lunchtime porn.

Ciao.

 

[8]

Ah! And know we have come to the crux of the issue. Is morality objective or subjective? Obviously, I do not believe the truth nor morality can be subjective.

I think the crux of the issue is the inability to simply disagree and not respect the opinions of other people instead of limiting their personal freedoms because of their opposition to something in which they are not required to participate

 

[Former Member]

There are many things worse than porn - cheap clothes made in Bangladeshi sweat shop for pennies, iphones made by kids in chinese factories, oil companies ruining and poisoning native communities in S.America that fill up your gas tanks, and yet you raise the issue of porn being immoral. Porn is a form of entertainment, just like the violent video games are...Or you'd argue against them too?

I agree with you that sweat shops (and possibly globalization in itself) are horrible things? Why? It is because of how the individual is treated in the work environment. Humanity's worth should never be based off of how productive they are in society. Also, no one should use another human being to make as much money off of as possible.

Porn is not just a form of entertainment. There are many victims of the porn industry. One of which is the viewer, who objectifies the men and women in the pornographic films.

Violent video games are an interesting topic of discussion. They are somewhat equivalent to porn because the viewer of the game/porn is learning to disregard the dignity of human life during both experiences. However, a violent video game is simulated, whereas pornography is a film of the actual. I think that distinction should be mentioned.

 

[Former Member]

No. You are ignoring the other party in your analogy.(victim of theft) I think people can be objectified and retain their dignity just fine. Think of all the actors and actresses that have been objectified yet maintain their dignity.

There is no victim when one objectifies another? What about voyeurism or peeping Toms? What about young women who are filmed without their consent? You make it sound like you can distinguish between good porn or bad porn. The truth is that porn simply objectifies.

 

[YB85]

Treats objects like women

 

[♪alt13]

There is no victim when one objectifies another? What about voyeurism or peeping Toms? What about young women who are filmed without their consent? You make it sound like you can distinguish between good porn or bad porn. The truth is that porn simply objectifies.

This is a ridiculous post.

1 There is not necessarily a victim when someone is objectified. As long as the attention is welcomed there is no problem.

2 Voyeurism and peeping toms are a separate issue. This is like saying that accepting a gift is immoral because it is the same thing as stealing one.

 

[One Brow]

Is the RCC scared of the competition?

I apologize for this comment. It was a little over the line for a discussion with WhiskeyPriest.

 

[8]

There is no victim when one objectifies another? What about voyeurism or peeping Toms? What about young women who are filmed without their consent? You make it sound like you can distinguish between good porn or bad porn. The truth is that porn simply objectifies.

Yes, when one has their rights infringed upon and is harmed by a situation without their consent, it is bad.
You are missing the fact that there are many situations where everyone involved is happy with the exchange. Simple economics. Two actors participate in a porno and get paid. Their participation deems this a valid exchange. One gives time and possibly money to gain enjoyment by watching it. Who's rights are infringed upon in this case?

 

[Former Member]

I apologize for this comment. It was a little over the line for a discussion with WhiskeyPriest.

I accept your apology. Also, I understand the frustration which caused the statement. When members of the clergy abuse the vulnerable, they break a communal trust that takes generations to heal... If ever.

 

[One Brow]

I'm glad you got that off your chest. I am not going to deny that some of the clergy in the RCC has done heinous actions against the most vulnerable. I cannot deny the culpability of the assailants just like I cannot deny the immorality of the actions.

Actually, that's not what I was talking about, but it's my fault for not being clearer on the subject. I was referring to RCC doctrines that I find immoral, not the behaviors of individuals.

 

[Gameface]

Just want to say I'm the only one who posted quality sources of said subject matter. The only reason I felt compelled to share them is that I actually feel they are of a higher quality and standard than most. They portray women as beautiful and sexual beings capable of giving and receiving pleasure.

I have my reservations about what leads a woman into the porn industry. It would certainly ruin it for me completely if I felt the woman was being coerced and victimized. I don't believe all porn does that. I'm sure that some does.

 

[One Brow]

Ah! And know we have come to the crux of the issue. Is morality objective or subjective? Obviously, I do not believe the truth nor morality can be subjective.

You could probably make an argument for objective truth, depending on how you define truth. I have never seen a successful argument that there is an objective morality, without presupposing many other questionable things.