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Guessing two of those firsts are crappy ones they own this year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Dejounte for me is like Ochai, JC, and the 2025 Minny pick. Likely not quite enough but who knows. Not touching Giddey for a variety of reasons right now. Jone I really like but not as interested with Dunn playing well. Would think expirings and seconds would be the best offer they get.
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What if its Sexton for Dejounte straight up? Sexton probably goes to a 3rd team but still from the Jazz perspective.
 
infection said:
My reiterations:

The streak is good and it is fun. But there will be other streaks during this season that may go the other way where we're going to feel like, "damn, trade _____ as we pivot to the future" and everyone is going to agree how there's no value out there for _____ and we're just SOL. Remember how many ups and downs we had last year in our valuations of Vanderbilt? How irrelevant are any of those discussions now? We can talk about riding things out with JC or Olynyk, and yeah maybe get more value by letting them expire than trading them for seconds (DA isn't do that anyway so we can forget about it), but if we can get anything of real value then we need to. Us talking about the Olynyk feel-goods will likely be drastically irrelevant in one year, and completely irrelevant the next.

Right now, people would be absolutely fine throwing THT out for nothing. There's going to be injury or something and over a 7-14 day span it will transition to "OMG maybe THT has something and we should consider him part of our young development" and people are going to talk about re-signing him.

Understand the ebb and flow of perceived value and recognize that whatever current moment we're in is not the ultimate vantage point of eternity.
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Solid post. I liked the last paragraph the most. The whole jazz team was garbage 1 month ago and look at us now. Ebbing.
 
infection said:
The guy making decisions doesn't care.
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There is no evidence that DA doesnt care about baggage, but there is plenty of evidence that he does value high charracter, good vibes and hard work ethic guys. I mean look at the guys we have... its not random that we are super rich on those things.

The history of DA decission making also supports that:
  • We blew up the bad vibes team and sent everyone out but Conley and Clarkson, who are both positive high charracter good vibes guys.
  • We traded for KO and Collins, both known of being glue guys in their previous teams.
  • We rerouted Pat Bev to the Lakers without him playing a game for us.
  • We cut Bolmaro who was on a rookie contract because he complained about opportunity.
  • We let Westbrook make the choice himself if he plays here or if we buy him out.
  • We havent chased Wood or anyone in the FA who has had some questions regarding those things.
  • This last one is speculating, but this could be the reason we had George #10 on our big board.
Personally, I think its more of a Hardy thing, and DA is just giving Hardy the type of players that he wants.
 
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infection said:
My reiterations:

The streak is good and it is fun. But there will be other streaks during this season that may go the other way where we're going to feel like, "damn, trade _____ as we pivot to the future" and everyone is going to agree how there's no value out there for _____ and we're just SOL. Remember how many ups and downs we had last year in our valuations of Vanderbilt? How irrelevant are any of those discussions now? We can talk about riding things out with JC or Olynyk, and yeah maybe get more value by letting them expire than trading them for seconds (DA isn't do that anyway so we can forget about it), but if we can get anything of real value then we need to. Us talking about the Olynyk feel-goods will likely be drastically irrelevant in one year, and completely irrelevant the next.

Right now, people would be absolutely fine throwing THT out for nothing. There's going to be injury or something and over a 7-14 day span it will transition to "OMG maybe THT has something and we should consider him part of our young development" and people are going to talk about re-signing him.

Understand the ebb and flow of perceived value and recognize that whatever current moment we're in is not the ultimate vantage point of eternity.
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I think the point is valid, but there's a few issues here as it relates to injuries. That's going to happen. But part of the current tear the team is on is that they are healthy and have had a chance to play together. Are they legitimately this good? Probably not. But they've also won 15 out of the last 19 and done it against some good teams. The longer this goes, the more this isn't a fluke. At worst, this is what the team is capable of doing. But they aren't catching anyone off guard anymore and opposing teams can plan around what Hardy is doing. Side note: It's nice having a coach that is willing to experiment and let things ride out as necessary.

As far as with THT, I suspect Ainge sees him as something that can help get some 2nds back in the kitty. THT's a depth piece, but we also have about 6 guards that are either ahead him in the rotation or that I wouldn't mind giving minutes to to see what happens. I wouldn't overstate his value at this as anything beyond an expiring deal.
 
HermanG said:
There is no evidence that DA doesnt care about baggage, but there is plenty of evidence that he does value high charracter, good vibes and hard work ethic guys. I mean look at the guys we have... its not random that we are super rich on those things.

The history of DA decission making also supports that:
  • We blew up the bad vibes team and sent everyone out but Conley and Clarkson, who are both positive high charracter good vibes guys.
  • We traded for KO and Collins, both known of being glue guys in their previous teams.
  • We rerouted Pat Bev to the Lakers without him playing a game for us.
  • We cut Bolmaro who was on a rookie contract because he complained about opportunity.
  • We let Westbrook make the choice himself if he plays here or if we buy him out.
  • We havent chased Wood or anyone in the FA who has had some questions regarding those things.
  • This last one is speculating, but this could be the reason we had George #10 on our big board.
Personally, I think its more of a Hardy thing, and DA is just giving Hardy the type of players that he wants.
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I think it's also part of a longer Jazz tradition of going for high character 'Jazz DNA' type players.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yeah, it's a hard call. Sexton is improving quickly, fun to watch right now, and playing amazing. Plus the team chemistry is great. But Dejounte would fit nicely as a starter.
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I think if I’m trading for Murray it’s in part because I think he’s a good fit with Collin. So I’d say no. It’s also a win now deal and I think Collin helps us win basketball games. We need a few chances to “pop” and sexton imo is one of those chances if he’s production as a starter is sustainable.
 
HermanG said:
There is no evidence that DA doesnt care about baggage, but there is plenty of evidence that he does value high charracter, good vibes and hard work ethic guys. I mean look at the guys we have... its not random that we are super rich on those things.

The history of DA decission making also supports that:
  • We blew up the bad vibes team and sent everyone out but Conley and Clarkson, who are both positive high charracter good vibes guys.
  • We traded for KO and Collins, both known of being glue guys in their previous teams.
  • We rerouted Pat Bev to the Lakers without him playing a game for us.
  • We cut Bolmaro who was on a rookie contract because he complained about opportunity.
  • We let Westbrook make the choice himself if he plays here or if we buy him out.
  • We havent chased Wood or anyone in the FA who has had some questions regarding those things.
  • This last one is speculating, but this could be the reason we had George #10 on our big board.
Personally, I think its more of a Hardy thing, and DA is just giving Hardy the type of players that he wants.
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All of your things about good vibes and chemistry, in what way do they apply to Hayward? Hayward is a douche from the perspective of Jazz fans. Ainge is the guy who orchestrated the whole thing. None of the “baggage” exists within the franchise, as it’s complete turnover. All of it is external.
 
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