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Potential Trade Targets

To get the topic off of Murray, my main target would still be Moses Moody.

KO+Clarkson for Moody/CP3. Maybe try to get a first (or handful of 2nds) as well with how good KO is playing and hopefully combine that with a surging Clarkson.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Sexton has played well of late, but he has way too long a history as a guy who will dribble into the trees without a plan for me to buy the idea that he's turned a corner and is now someone who facilitates and plays within himself.

He has to keep this up for the rest of the season, at least. The Mavs game was a great win, but Collin displayed some of his old bad habits again.
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He's done better at seeing when to take it all the way and score and when to stop and pivot. I think other than hitting his spot up threes that has been the biggest thing. He's made less mistakes driving than JC has. Not that it will never rear its head again but he seems to have made serious strides figuring that out.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He wasn't coming back and they were going to rebuild. They sold high. Atlanta was fortunate he signed the extension with them this offseason or they'd be underperforming and have an unrestricted FA guard.

I do think his defense has fallen off from his SA days. Maybe Will could resurrect it partly.

Atlanta should not be THIS bad with the talent they have. Not sure who gets most of the blame pie. Murray's basic numbers look pretty good.
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I'm not actually sure there's been a fall off, at least in his talent level. IMO, his SAS days (especially that last season), were probably overrated. His ATL performance is probably underrated. This is especially the case on defense as you had mentioned. Much has been made about his dropoff in rebounds, but in reality it did not really have the effect that his high output would suggest and a lot of the dropoff in raw rebounding is likely due to playing with better rebounders. I don't think we mention enough that Dejounte is a ball dominant player who is also playing with one of the most ball dominant players in the game. One of the reasons they are this bad, the fit is not good between Trae and DJ....and tbh we should have known this.

Murray's numbers without Trae:

31.2 pts/100
10.3 ast/100
55.7 TS%

1487 MIN

Murray's numbers 21/22 with SAS:

29.3 pts/100
12.8 ast/100
53.4 TS%

2366 MIN

This is not perfect analysis, of course, but I think Murray is the same level of player he was in SAS. If anything, he's better because his improved 3FG% makes him easier to play with.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Lavine and Murray are both underrated at this point in time. Should we just go for both? lol.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm not actually sure there's been a fall off, at least in his talent level. IMO, his SAS days (especially that last season), were probably overrated. His ATL performance is probably underrated. This is especially the case on defense as you had mentioned. Much has been made about his dropoff in rebounds, but in reality it did not really have the effect that his high output would suggest and a lot of the dropoff in raw rebounding is likely due to playing with better rebounders. I don't think we mention enough that Dejounte is a ball dominant player who is also playing with one of the most ball dominant players in the game. One of the reasons they are this bad, the fit is not good between Trae and DJ....and tbh we should have known this.

Murray's numbers without Trae:

31.2 pts/100
10.3 ast/100
55.7 TS%

1487 MIN

Murray's numbers 21/22 with SAS:

29.3 pts/100
12.8 ast/100
53.4 TS%

2366 MIN

This is not perfect analysis, of course, but I think Murray is the same level of player he was in SAS. If anything, he's better because his improved 3FG% makes him easier to play with.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Lavine and Murray are both underrated at this point in time. Should we just go for both? lol.
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Murray might be underrated by some on this board, but he's still going to take a nice package to release from the Hawks.

The Jazz also have nothing the Hawks would want from a win-now standpoint for it to make sense (unless we are giving them Walker, who would be great w/ Trae, which I could be talked in to). But even that doestn make sense for the Hawks because it would be tough to trade Capela for value, so grabbing a center just doesnt make a lot of sense when you can't offload your old ones.

The only way the Jazz get Murray is in the off-season if Atlanta decides to blow everything up.
 
sip said:
I don't understand why Cy is trying to die on this hill that Murray is a mediocre player. Is the guy a superstar? No. Is the guy a borderline all star with a good contract? Yes. Is the guy at the correct age range to pair with Lauri for the future? Yes. With all that said I would still prefer to trade off vets and focus on the rebuild but I don't think there should be any debate that Murray is a really good player and a nice fit for us.
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Choosing Murray is like choosing Lauri cuz getting him is our best chance at keeping Lauri here long terms. The last thing we want is to be forced to do a Raptors style firesale cuz we fail to take actions on time.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Murray might be underrated by some on this board, but he's still going to take a nice package to release from the Hawks.

The Jazz also have nothing the Hawks would want from a win-now standpoint for it to make sense (unless we are giving them Walker, who would be great w/ Trae, which I could be talked in to). But even that doestn make sense for the Hawks because it would be tough to trade Capela for value, so grabbing a center just doesnt make a lot of sense when you can't offload your old ones.

The only way the Jazz get Murray is in the off-season if Atlanta decides to blow everything up.
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I think that’s fair. I just think in general people are a little down on Murray right now….but imo that’s mostly due to his role and him being overrated for SAS.

Given the choice between Murray or Lavine, I would probably still choose Murray because of his favorable contract situation. But that’s not an even choice. Lavine will come much cheaper and in terms lf being “underrated” I think he has a better case.

I give the edge to Murray as a player/asset, Lavine is likely a better target though.
 
Shad said:
The hawks would want to fleece us for Murray. They'd probabaly only do it for George, hendricks, 2 picks, and a filler..... which is a no
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IDK if they would even take that. None of that helps them win. If they are blowing it up, sure, but if they want to keep Trae that does nothing for them.
 
KqWIN said:
I'm not actually sure there's been a fall off, at least in his talent level. IMO, his SAS days (especially that last season), were probably overrated. His ATL performance is probably underrated. This is especially the case on defense as you had mentioned. Much has been made about his dropoff in rebounds, but in reality it did not really have the effect that his high output would suggest and a lot of the dropoff in raw rebounding is likely due to playing with better rebounders. I don't think we mention enough that Dejounte is a ball dominant player who is also playing with one of the most ball dominant players in the game. One of the reasons they are this bad, the fit is not good between Trae and DJ....and tbh we should have known this.

Murray's numbers without Trae:

31.2 pts/100
10.3 ast/100
55.7 TS%

1487 MIN

Murray's numbers 21/22 with SAS:

29.3 pts/100
12.8 ast/100
53.4 TS%

2366 MIN

This is not perfect analysis, of course, but I think Murray is the same level of player he was in SAS. If anything, he's better because his improved 3FG% makes him easier to play with.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think Lavine and Murray are both underrated at this point in time. Should we just go for both? lol.
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Price will determine it all in terms of who would be a better target. I think Lavine is more of a homerun swing because the price could be low and the contract is so big. Lavine should return in the next week or two and I think he'd likely only be able to help his value as it seems his market is "barren" per every rumor monger.

Great post btw. That is good to see with/without Trae.
 
Shad said:
The hawks would want to fleece us for Murray. They'd probabaly only do it for George, hendricks, 2 picks, and a filler..... which is a no
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If they could get that they'd do it in a second. He won't fetch that much.
 
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