Predict Gordon Hayward's contract structure thread

[cowhide]

$11mm for Hayward in a year when cap revenue is conservatively estimated at $71-73mm will be nothing short of a steal.

I guarantee Hayward gets more than consensus here wants him to sign for. The Jazz should front load his contract to the maximum extent allowable, then add in the max 10-15 % or whatever performance bonuses.

Stan Van Gundy disagrees with you and so do I.

 

[franklin]

I agree with franklin on this and hope the FO does this before he starts entertaining offers from other places.

I've been up and down on Haywad over the years as much as anyone. At the end of the day, I'm convinced he's worth what his highly skewed stat line says he's worth. I think he can get got for long term value here. I think value in year 4 of the contract at $11-12mm is similar to $9.8725461111mm this season. If that means overpaying up front then so be it. (GVC be damned)

 

[cowhide]

I just don't see how guys like Favors and Hayward deserve such hefty raises considering they really haven't broken out to be stars like most of us hoped they would.

 

[b_line]

Stan Van Gundy disagrees with you and so do I.

I disagree with you and Stan van Jeremy.

 

[akirac73]

I just don't see how guys like Favors and Hayward deserve such hefty raises considering they really haven't broken out to be stars like most of us hoped they would.

I think a lot of the Hayward fans take the approach that we should spend the money now and cross our fingers he someday evolves into something more than a above average role player. The Jazz took that approach with Favors, and we're still crossing our fingers.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

If that prediction comes true, I hope to hell he gets it in Boston. His contract should not average more than 8 million given his play this year. He may get as much as 10 million per, but I doubt he gets more.

Go change your diaper gramps!!!

 

[b_line]

Hayward is a good player and still improving. Sure there is some risk in giving him a big contract, but if we think he is going to be the second or third best player on a contending team, then a contract that averages 12.5 mil per yeast is a steal.

 

[franklin]

I just don't see how guys like Favors and Hayward deserve such hefty raises considering they really haven't broken out to be stars like most of us hoped they would.

You're a poster who always has my ear. Not that anything said can be convincing either way after four years of evidence, but considering all aspects what do you think he's worth? Nice edit BTW.

I think a lot of the Hayward fans take the approach that we should spend the money now and cross our fingers he someday evolves into something more than a above average role player. The Jazz took that approach with Favors, and we're still crossing our fingers.

Hayward is clearly more than a role player. Why must you do this?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I think a lot of the Hayward fans take the approach that we should spend the money now and cross our fingers he someday evolves into something more than a above average role player. The Jazz took that approach with Favors, and we're still crossing our fingers.

He (Favors) got 7 minutes more per game than the prior year.

In those 7 minutes he did the following.

3 more shot attempts
4% better shooting
1.6 more rebounds
slightly more in the assist/steal/tov
slightly less in blk
exactly the same in pf, which is an improvement
4 pts per game
3 more words per game in huddles
1 additional show of emotion (full smile, not half)
And most of the time our defense was better with him in, it went up from the worst ever to the worst in the league or something like that

He's moving in the right direction.
Is it large enough or fast enough? It never is, right. We are demanding fans.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I think a lot of the Hayward fans take the approach that we should spend the money now and cross our fingers he someday evolves into something more than a above average role player. The Jazz took that approach with Favors, and we're still crossing our fingers.

Hayward did this with his additional 7 mpg.

3 more shots per game
11% less on 3pts
1 more ft attempt
2 more rebounds
2 more assista
1/2 steal
1 tov
2 more pts


Statistically he was better in many ways, but sucking from 3pt land hurt him big time.

He has been in the 40% range in the past, I think he can do it again, which is why I'm not too stressed about it if we overpay a bit for him as long as it's front loaded.

 

[Doublea]

If Hayward had shot 37% from 3 we'd all be freaking out right now.

 

[akirac73]

He (Favors) got 7 minutes more per game than the prior year.

In those 7 minutes he did the following.

3 more shot attempts
4% better shooting
1.6 more rebounds
slightly more in the assist/steal/tov
slightly less in blk
exactly the same in pf, which is an improvement
4 pts per game
3 more words per game in huddles
1 additional show of emotion (full smile, not half)
And most of the time our defense was better with him in, it went up from the worst ever to the worst in the league or something like that

He's moving in the right direction.
Is it large enough or fast enough? It never is, right. We are demanding fans.

I apologize for sounding too critical of Favors. I do acknowledge that he has made improvements albeit not at a "breakout" level. That's fine. I can deal with Favors slower growth pace because he has tools that cannot be taught (size, length, athleticism, and a good attitude/work ethic). Big men with these attributes are not a dime a dozen, so it was a good risk to pay Favors the money he got. I agree Favors is moving in the right direction.