It is true my man. If Ayton signs for 30M he only counts as 15M incoming salary.
Predict the Rudy Gobert trade
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It is true my man. If Ayton signs for 30M he only counts as 15M incoming salary.
Please link me this rule as I've googled it and I can not find this.
It’s 15M outgoing from Phoenix but 30M incoming for us.
85. For sign-and-trade transactions (see question number 92), the outgoing salary for players who are subject to what was previously referred to as Base Year Compensation is either the previous salary or 50% of the new salary, whichever is greater (see question number 93).
92. For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team for $10 million. The team is a taxpayer, and therefore is over the cap following the signing. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade transaction for another team's $10 million player. Since the BYC conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for the trade portion of this sign-and-trade transaction is $5 million. This trade therefore would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player. The highest salary this team could acquire in a sign-and-trade arrangement is $6.35 million2.
Once a sign-and-trade is complete, the player's actual salary is included in his new team's team salary.
This is on CBA FAQ by Larry Coon.
92. For example, a player made $5 million last season, is a Larry Bird free agent, and re-signs with his previous team for $10 million. The team is a taxpayer, and therefore is over the cap following the signing. The signing is part of a sign-and-trade transaction for another team's $10 million player. Since the BYC conditions were satisfied the player's outgoing salary for the trade portion of this sign-and-trade transaction is $5 million. This trade therefore would not be allowed, even though the players' new salaries match, since a taxpaying team cannot trade a $5 million player for a $10 million player. The highest salary this team could acquire in a sign-and-trade arrangement is $6.35 million2.
Once a sign-and-trade is complete, the player's actual salary is included in his new team's team salary.
This is on CBA FAQ by Larry Coon.
NBA Salary Cap FAQ
www.cbafaq.com
Is Ayton considered a larry bird free agent? Is that different than a RFA?
Cptgrnlngs22
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Cap **** is so annoying.
YoungJefe
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The trade that seems to make the most sense is...
Jazz get Collins, Huerter, Griffin, picks?
Spurs get Capela, picks
Hawks get Gobert, Murray
LARRY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This exception allows teams to exceed the cap in order to re-sign their own free agents, up to the player's maximum salary. Teams are said to have "Bird rights" to players who qualify. To qualify for this exception a player essentially must play for three seasons without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent, however there are nuances to this rule, which are explained in question number 32. This means a player can qualify by playing under three consecutive one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any equivalent combination. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Larry Bird exception to re-sign him. These contracts can be up to five years in length, with raises up to 8% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception is formally a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception.
The 1983 CBA introduced the modern salary cap, and with it the provision allowing a team to exceed the cap to re-sign its own players. It is commonly believed that this exception acquired its common moniker because Larry Bird was the first such player to be re-signed. However, this is apocryphal, as Bird signed a seven-year contract in 1983 (before this provision took effect), and did not sign another until 1988.
Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 26 for details.
YoungJefe
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Having 2 max guys and zero rotational players that we drafted on rookie deals makes it very hard.
Yes, it is 9.7M but we are currently over the cap so it would really cost us 2-3x that which isn’t happening.
YoungJefe
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Thank you for all this info
LoPo
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LoPo
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I think they would be separate transactions.
Spurs don't want Capela I don't think.
Capela to Minnesota seems perfect but Atlanta can facilitate that taking back Beasley.
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LoPo
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A few contracts ago, sign-and-trade players were excluded from following BYC rules; BYC rules only applied if you sign them and later traded them.
I think that is what is happening here. The sign-and-trade in #92 is the OTHER team doing a sign and trade. The team subject to BYC here first signed a guy for $10M, and then later tried to trade them. That's when BYC happens.
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It was a foregone conclusion the moment we traded for him. Now, perhaps he comes back. But it isn’t without being waived first.
100% guarantee
homeytennis
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I think him being waived is a given. What if the front office goes totally skinflint and lets Juancho, Paschal, Hassan, House and Forrest walk and replaces them with the lowest salary rooks and keeps the roster to the minimum? Would that get the Jazz below the tax?