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Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Does Memphis own next years pick too? If so keep Don and Rudy and blow it up the following off-season.
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No, but the Jazz owe a pick to OKC IN 2024 that is only top-10 protected (in order to get out from the immediately obvious terrible contract they gave Favors).

This is another reason the Jazz either need to get bad fast or get a lot better fast because right now it looks like the Jazz are going to convey the 10th pick in 2024 to OKC.
 
NUMBERICA said:
No, but the Jazz owe a pick to OKC IN 2024 that is only top-10 protected (in order to get out from the immediately obvious terrible contract they gave Favors).

This is another reason the Jazz either need to get bad fast or get a lot better fast because right now it looks like the Jazz are going to convey the 10th pick in 2024 to OKC.
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OMG!!! It’s worse than I thought!!! I completely forgot about that trade. So we owe Memphis a pick in 25 draft? Yyya ship um all out blow it the **** up and pray we get a top 9 pick. But of course utah has the allstar game this year so Ryan Smith will never blow it up. I mean, does anything ever go right for us here? We suck worse in the playoffs, no one of any value would ever choose to sign here. Our players get made fun of and on top of all that… just when the perfect time comes to blow it up and interject new energy into the team the allstar game of all things is coming so our stupid owner wants to stay at least somewhat relevant so he can look good in front of his peers. I feel like as a jazz fan I can’t catch a freaking break!!! I hate the nba more than I hate my life. Lol
 
NUMBERICA said:
No, but the Jazz owe a pick to OKC IN 2024 that is only top-10 protected (in order to get out from the immediately obvious terrible contract they gave Favors).

This is another reason the Jazz either need to get bad fast or get a lot better fast because right now it looks like the Jazz are going to convey the 10th pick in 2024 to OKC.
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Also… I need to reiterate this… not directed at you. nothing mandated that we trade Favs. We could have still signed Gay. We could have used favs as a backup and a locker room guy. Probably could still get Whiteside as he was not the hot commodity. We also could have gone into the season and moved salary later. We traded a potentially valuable pick and one that prevents us from doing a lot else with picks simply to save tax. And then owners bitch about the warriors buying titles…

Now imagine all the money we put into the rebrand… maybe just don’t sell off picks… that may have been the pick that nets you Derrick White or something valuable… we used it for some money savings. RMOE
 
NUMBERICA said:
No, but the Jazz owe a pick to OKC IN 2024 that is only top-10 protected (in order to get out from the immediately obvious terrible contract they gave Favors).

This is another reason the Jazz either need to get bad fast or get a lot better fast because right now it looks like the Jazz are going to convey the 10th pick in 2024 to OKC.
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The Jazz aren't planning to do either, but that puts them right on schedule to keep that pick. Don will be with us next year, but likely demand out soon. We will likely be in full rebuild at that point and in the bottom 10. If the Jazz tank now, chances are they will lose that pick and it will me mid first round. You would hope that they would be out of the top 10 by then, but being one of the better teams in the league seems unrealistic. This came up in the tank now vs tank later discussion, it doesn't benefit us to tank now.
 
KqWIN said:
The Jazz aren't planning to do either, but that puts them right on schedule to keep that pick. Don will be with us next year, but likely demand out soon. We will likely be in full rebuild at that point and in the bottom 10. If the Jazz tank now, chances are they will lose that pick and it will me mid first round. You would hope that they would be out of the top 10 by then, but being one of the better teams in the league seems unrealistic. This came up in the tank now vs tank later discussion, it doesn't benefit us to tank now.
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I disagree here. The tank would take a couple years... the pick is top 10 protected in 24 and 25. Top 8 in 2026. Whether we start the tank this year or next it will likely be hard to keep the pick in 2026 with the new lotto odds... it is easier to slide back a spot or two. I see a scenario where we wait 6 months too long to rebuild (trade deadline 2023-24 season is the somewhat hard deadline to move Don) and potentially lose a late lotto mid first in 2024... losing that opportunity at the beginning of a rebuild would be fairly disheartening vs. having the talent you selected in 2023-2025 pull you out of the mud and sending a late lotto pick.

95% of us know where this is headed. A lot of value in recognizing that and leaning in imo.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I disagree here. The tank would take a couple years... the pick is top 10 protected in 24 and 25. Top 8 in 2026. Whether we start the tank this year or next it will likely be hard to keep the pick in 2026 with the new lotto odds... it is easier to slide back a spot or two. I see a scenario where we wait 6 months too long to rebuild (trade deadline 2023-24 season is the somewhat hard deadline to move Don) and potentially lose a late lotto mid first in 2024... losing that opportunity at the beginning of a rebuild would be fairly disheartening vs. having the talent you selected in 2023-2025 pull you out of the mud and sending a late lotto pick.

95% of us know where this is headed. A lot of value in recognizing that and leaning in imo.
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Yup. You either way to be a contender or tank to rebuild your core. The Rockets were quick to blow it up and now they'll have Jalen Green/Paolo Banchero to build around just two years after moving Harden. The Grizzles traded away Gasol/Conley, tanked for a year, and ended up with Morant.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I disagree here. The tank would take a couple years... the pick is top 10 protected in 24 and 25. Top 8 in 2026. Whether we start the tank this year or next it will likely be hard to keep the pick in 2026 with the new lotto odds... it is easier to slide back a spot or two. I see a scenario where we wait 6 months too long to rebuild (trade deadline 2023-24 season is the somewhat hard deadline to move Don) and potentially lose a late lotto mid first in 2024... losing that opportunity at the beginning of a rebuild would be fairly disheartening vs. having the talent you selected in 2023-2025 pull you out of the mud and sending a late lotto pick.

95% of us know where this is headed. A lot of value in recognizing that and leaning in imo.
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I don't know how you can reasonably think the pick is more likely to be conveyed (OKC receives the pick) if we tanked right now versus next offseason. I see the concern about not trading him in the offseason....but at the deadline instead. Very strange scenario, but I'd be pretty confident that you could get into the bottom 10 if it falls out at that point time. If you tank now, you're losing that pick unless you're bad for 4 consecutive years. You're almost guaranteed to lose that pick unless things go horribly wrong. If you waited a year, your chances of keeping that pick are much greater.

I'm not really letting this protected pick dictate my thinking, but if you are, you should not be proponent of tanking now.
 
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