Pres. Of Baskettball Operations Says Interesting Things About Draft, Tomic, and Neto...

[Sexual Favors]

Walt Perin breaking down where the Jazz are at with some of their decisions.

Q: You have a couple of foreign players you drafted in the past, Ante’ Tomic in 2008 and Raul Neto last year. What is their status?

A: Both have had pretty good years, and Tomic is on one of the better teams in Europe. We’re at the point with him where we’re trying to make that decision (whether to buy out his contract). With Raul, we’re not sure, we haven’t talked about it yet what we may want to do in terms of bringing him over this year or keeping him there for another year.

Tomic an a possability? Wow. Last couple of years I thought the best we'd get from him was packaging his rights to some other sucker of a team. Is Kanter, Favors, Gobert, and Tomic a decent frontcourt to you? How do you distribute minutes? What about E. Murphy, M. Thomas, J. Evans, and M. Williams? Is Kanter enough of a floor spacer? Does someone get traded in this scenario? How much does this affect BPA theory in the draft, i.e., if Vonleh is considered BPA.(i personally think it's Gordon @5).

Also, I am also in the camp of bringing Neto over now, not later. Hayward, Favors, and Evans will be in their 5th year, and thus vets. We'll be young, but not devoid of experience. I also think Neto would thrive with our team and personnel because of his pace, crossovers, and court vision. I want to see Kanter and Favors get some burn with a PG who looks for them before he looks for himself.

A: “I think it’s going to be tough to get the top three players (Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Joel Embiid) in. Beyond that, I think I can get most of them in. I may also have problems with players projected from 12 through 20. One, because agents don’t think we’re going to take them at five, and two, they don’t think they’re going to fall to 23. Three, we’ve got a young team and good players at every position. There’s always trades, and we always tell them that. Also, guys in those positions (12 through 20) are doing eight to 10 workouts, and agents don’t want them to work out more than eight times, so it’s tough. The dates are so compacted and they don’t want them to do back-to-backs. You can only do so many in a 30-day time frame.

A: I think it’s going to be a fairly deep draft, and there are some players that have an opportunity to be possible franchise-type players. But we may not know that for another three or four years. It’s a deep draft, and there are some players late in the first round that can not only make teams, but that can play significant minutes. There may also be some guys in the early second round that can play significant minutes and surprise some people and become pretty good players. We’re a young team anyway, so do we want to add three more young kids? That’s something we have to decide.’’

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...s-about-the-teams-offseason-plans.html?pg=all

 

[homeytennis]

Walt Perin breaking down where the Jazz are at with some of their decisions.



Tomic an a possability? Wow. Last couple of years I thought the best we'd get from him was packaging his rights to some other sucker of a team. Is Kanter, Favors, Gobert, and Tomic a decent frontcourt to you? How do you distribute minutes? What about E. Murphy, M. Thomas, J. Evans, and M. Williams? Is Kanter enough of a floor spacer? Does someone get traded in this scenario? How much does this affect BPA theory in the draft, i.e., if Vonleh is considered BPA.(i personally think it's Gordon @5).

Also, I am also in the camp of bringing Neto over now, not later. Hayward, Favors, and Evans will be in their 5th year, and thus vets. We'll be young, but not devoid of experience. I also think Neto would thrive with our team and personnel because of his pace, crossovers, and court vision. I want to see Kanter and Favors get some burn with a PG who looks for them before he looks for himself.








https://www.deseretnews.com/article...s-about-the-teams-offseason-plans.html?pg=all

I think if Tomic comes over it's bye bye to Marvin.

 

[Harcher]

Walt Perin breaking down where the Jazz are at with some of their decisions.



Tomic an a possability? Wow. Last couple of years I thought the best we'd get from him was packaging his rights to some other sucker of a team.

I'm willing to bet the Jazz "think about buying out his contract every year at this time of year...." Ultimately, Tomic being mentioned is just one of many press related statements that are for enticing others to bite on trading up, down, out etc. Tomic is one more asset the Jazz are dangling around. Maybe someone might have some legit interest in him.

In the 1229 page 2014 draft prospects thread, someone noted that "DL said he doesn't want the late picks - we are only picking one young guy" This statement is more of the same. Jazz are dropping all the info out there to lure and maybe to confuse as needed.

 

[GVC]

It'll be funny watching Enes sulking from the bench as well.

 

[Bodhi]

My thoughts exactly r.e. Malcolm Thomas and Murphy. I mean, what about them?!?!?

 

[homeytennis]

They both got such long runs late in the season.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Walt Perin breaking down where the Jazz are at with some of their decisions.
Tomic an a possability? Wow. Last couple of years I thought the best we'd get from him was packaging his rights to some other sucker of a team. Is Kanter, Favors, Gobert, and Tomic a decent frontcourt to you? How do you distribute minutes? What about E. Murphy, M. Thomas, J. Evans, and M. Williams? Is Kanter enough of a floor spacer? Does someone get traded in this scenario? How much does this affect BPA theory in the draft, i.e., if Vonleh is considered BPA.(i personally think it's Gordon @5).

Also, I am also in the camp of bringing Neto over now, not later. Hayward, Favors, and Evans will be in their 5th year, and thus vets. We'll be young, but not devoid of experience. I also think Neto would thrive with our team and personnel because of his pace, crossovers, and court vision. I want to see Kanter and Favors get some burn with a PG who looks for them before he looks for himself.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...s-about-the-teams-offseason-plans.html?pg=all

Murphy and Thomas are scrubs. Williams is an UFA who may or may not be back. If he DOES return, he's better suited to a SF role. Evans is a tweener who likely won't be re-signed after his contract is up. You can get better value from a drafted player on a rookie contract. Besides, the roster spot is better served by finding a big with size or a "3&D" SF.

Tomic coming over COULD change the complexion of the draft for Utah. I think Vonleh is BPA, but bring Tomic over and the Jazz would have to draft SF or guard (Gordon or Smart). I'd be ok with that, even though I think Vonleh has a chance to be special. If the Jazz go with Smart, then I think Burke would be the eventual casualty...but not for a year. You'd have Smart and Trey split minutes this season. If Smart is clearly better, then you look to trade Burke at the deadline or next summer. In that case, leaving Neto in Europe makes sense; there just wouldn't be playing time for him this year. However, draft Gordon and you could have Raul as the backup PG.

Reading between the lines, I think Perrin has disclosed a LOT. The possible "franchise-type players" that are three or four years away have to be Vonleh and Gordon. And I think they'll trade out of the remaining picks or draft and stash players.

 

[Sexual Favors]

It'll be funny watching Enes sulking from the bench as well.

Tomic is good, but do you really think he'd start over Kanter? Even with added muscle, he is super skinny, is a non shot blocker, doesn't spread the floor, and would be a rook at the NBA level. Then again, Tomic is 7'2", and can pass better than Kanter can.

Here is how I'd see possible pairing working out.

Kanter & Favors - Showed improvement towards end of 13-14 season when they saw time together. Depends on both improving passing skills. Kanter stepping out for ocassional 3 would also go a long way to making this succesful. In theory, they'd have a nice blend of offense and defense, but the problem is the defense comes at the 4 spot, because Favors is undersized to play the 5 against real 5's and thus be a true rim-protector. Kanter needs better D and passing at the 5.

Favors and Tomic- will work at times because Tomic is 7'2" and is a better passer than Kanter, but he is also scronny, a non shot blocker, and doesn't space the floor, so is not the end-all be-all answer.

Kanter & Gobert has a lot of potential, but is missing some very key skills. Gobert needs to learn how to catch the ball in the post, and how to pass. Kanter needs to learn how to pass and improve his D. D is less of an issue for Kanter in this scenario because a lot of top tier PF's don't play a lick of it, and Gobert is a true rim protector (3.4 blks & 12.9 REBs per 36 his rookie year). Kanter provides nice spacing when needed, and Gobert gets easy dunks. Both would be genuine mismatches for opponents at these positions as well. Could be exceptional, but could just as easily be nothing. All depends on Gobert learning to catch, Kanter learning positional D at PF, and both learning to pass.

Tomic & Gobert - has no hope. Neither are a PF in any way.



What do you think about my perspective and assumptions? Where do you see flaws in thinking? Merits?

 

[infection]

I think saying Tomic having an impact on who we draft is crazy.

It's kind of like your employer is offering you a $100 gift card to Target, Best Buy, Oliver Garden, Texas Roadhouse, Lagoon or Walmart, and you're going to let your Long John Silvers coupon of $2 off an order over $20 sway you away from burning your gift card on a restaurant.

 

[Qman]

We need at least 8 legit NBA players. We have 4 signed. Hayward would make 5. There is nothing wrong with added Tomic and 3 draft picks. We would have enough cap room to bring a good FA too.

 

[BENTLEY]

Google says Tomic weighs in at 247 ilbs. That's more than I thought.

 

[BENTLEY]

He's another asset. I bet he's traded or helps replace a different player traded (Kanter).

 

[Sexual Favors]

I think saying Tomic having an impact on who we draft is crazy.

How so? If the Jazz held Vonleh, Gordon, Smart, and possibly Randle in the same tier, wouldn't it give a bump to players like A? Gordon & Smart who have an incredible amount of upside as well, yet fill positions that will make the team, as constructed, better. If the team has nothing but bigs, how can any of them get better?

W/ Tomic, Jazz would have contracts, or FA interest (as w/ Marvin) w/:

Favors
Kanter
Tomic
Gobert
M. Thomas
E. Murphy
J. Evans
M. Williams

I personally think Evans & M. Williams should be 3's, but from interviews as recently as this past weekend, Lindsey likes Marvin at the 4, and seems high on resigning him.

E. Murphy & M. Thomas are likely scrubs and replaceable, but the decision still has to be made.

J. Evans is also near and dear to the organization w/ his personality, field work w/ offseason camps, winning the dunk contest, and being Hayward's closest friend on the roster (as they still need to ink Hayward, even if they are secretly entertaining sign and trades).

This is 8 players the Jazz classify as bigs and need to make decisions on. Why would they add a 9th via the draft without it weighing its repercussions? They'd have to view Vonleh or Randle as clearly superior to those they already have, and to be honest, Randle is clearly not better, and The vonleh answer is blurry.

 

[GVC]

I really don't get why people think Favors is undersized at the 5. Favors was listed as heavier than all but 7 starting centers this season, and his standing reach is right in the middle of the pack. Dude has better than average size at the 5.

 

[SojoDave]

Google says Tomic weighs in at 247 ilbs. That's more than I thought.

Google weighs people, there must be an app for that.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think saying Tomic having an impact on who we draft is crazy.

It's kind of like your employer is offering you a $100 gift card to Target, Best Buy, Oliver Garden, Texas Roadhouse, Lagoon or Walmart, and you're going to let your Long John Silvers coupon of $2 off an order over $20 sway you away from burning your gift card on a restaurant.

personally, I can't see the Jazz buying out one of the best PF/Cs in Europe unless they plan on giving him significant minutes. That alone will make minutes for Tomic hard to come-by with a rotation of Favors Kanter and Gobert-- throw Vonleh into the mix, and I'd have a hunch that someone is getting swapped if the Jazz buy-out Tomic.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

personally, I can't see the Jazz buying out one of the best PF/Cs in Europe unless they plan on giving him significant minutes. That alone will make minutes for Tomic hard to come-by with a rotation of Favors Kanter and Gobert-- throw Vonleh into the mix, and I'd have a hunch that someone is getting swapped if the Jazz buy-out Tomic.

Unless there is some master plan to trade Kanter to move up in the draft.

 

[Sexual Favors]

I really don't get why people think Favors is undersized at the 5. Favors was listed as heavier than all but 7 starting centers this season, and his standing reach is right in the middle of the pack. Dude has better than average size at the 5.

Well, whatever it is, he is a lot less effective when he defends the 5. He is beastly defending 4's, though. What is your theory for why it doesn't translate as well?

 

[GVC]

Well, whatever it is, he is a lot less effective when he defends the 5. He is beastly defending 4's, though. What is your theory for why it doesn't translate as well?

He's going to be better defending smaller players. He's not strong in the post for whatever reason (conditioning?). With that said, with Favors' sub-par offense, he's going to have to figure out how to be more than a pick-and-roll defender/help defender to make an impact in line with his salary. Playing him next to a beefy 5 with no O isn't going to work.

 

[fishonjazz]

Playing him next to a beefy 5 with no O isn't going to work.

Who is this beefy 5 with no O that the jazz plan on playing next to favors that you speak of?