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  1. reignman40

    reignman40 Well-Known Member

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    I won't say "white privilege" doesn't exist but look at the Jussie Smollett thing. He has privilege in the city of Chicago. It's also pretty sad when someone tries to create racism because the supply doesn't meet the demand. The demand for racism is what really should upset us all.

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  2. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    Slavary happened in a country that stated in our own Declaration of Independence that "All Men are Created Equal". Silly but why reparations now? I'm saying this as a liberal. I just don't get that idea. I believe we can pump money into these suffering communities to help relieve years of abuse.
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  3. Mission Accomplished

    Mission Accomplished Well-Known Member

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    You don't believe that rap is part of the problem?
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  4. Catchall

    Catchall Well-Known Member 2019 Prediction Contest Winner

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    I'm white, primarily Anglo-Saxon. Here are a few advantages I can see that people who are similarly situated have in American society (Note that I said 'advantages' instead of 'privileges.' The latter sounds as though an invisible hand of God is literally giving me unfair, preferential treatment, or that I have a special white person membership card that gets me free drinks and travel upgrades.)

    • We're speaking English here. If you grow up in a home where 'proper' and grammatically correct English is the primary language you speak, this is an advantage.

    • Schools, by and large, teach a western, British (or sanitized European Jewish?) view of history. I get that they think it's their empire and all, but there are always other sides to the story that are omitted. (For example, the American history of black slavery is often taught from a 'white' point of view.) So if this history validates your race's achievements and actions, that can be considered a bias. Western people are often commended and lionized in literature and media.

    • Police generally don't think I look like a criminal and they're disinclined to harass or harm me. I can go on airlines without being suspected of being dangerous or a terrorist.

    • The people in my profession are predominantly white and have a similar middle-class background. This likely helps me get work done and helps me advance.

    • A fair number of Asian women want to date and marry me. Don't ask me why, but it appears to be a thing for them.

    • Will let you know when I discover more...
     
  5. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Ask someone who supports reparations. Also just throwing money at a problem isn’t always a good thing.
     
  6. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    Good post. I had a similar reaction
    I had no clue it was considered racist. Then I tried thinking of how I could even possibly know it was. I dont recall ever seeing it used that way in movies and had never heard it IRL. I was grateful for those who politely made me aware.
     
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  7. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    I don’t think it’s helpful and one of my biggest complaints is I find it highly sexist. But it’s like 1% of the problem maybe. It’s a symptom. Not a cause.

    Something I’ve learned
     
  8. gandalfe

    gandalfe Well-Known Member

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    He's a rich famous person.

    Who, basically, had to pay $10k and do, what was it, 600 hours of community service? I mean, that's not 10 years in prison, but for someone who had no criminal record who basically just filed a false police report, it's not unreasonable.
     
  9. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    It’s also happened in a country of the 3/5s compromise. A notion that set blacks as less than a man.
     
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  10. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Ok...

    This doesn’t address the point of his post.
     
  11. gandalfe

    gandalfe Well-Known Member

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    Just that, yes, he has privilege, but people try to say that he's been treated with kid gloves because he's black. Nope, it's because of these other things.
     
  12. idestroyedthetoilet

    idestroyedthetoilet Well-Known Member

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    Oof.
     
  13. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Ok. Cool

    To me the point of his post is his conclusion. “The demand for racism should upset us all”.
     
  14. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. I cant do the all or nothing white privilege thing.

    Surely not every white person experiences white privilege, right? I tried to ask One Brow about this before but could never get to the bottom of it. He just danced around the issue.

    There is nuance, or different levels to this isnt there?

    In what way does this white man have a better life than this black man? 72f0b558bbbf95129ecfb7b7a11d7751--inspirational-speakers-motivational-speakers.jpg 390fd040375335a6104cc9de92da291f.jpg
     
  15. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Don’t point to extreme situations as the norm. Just like not all abortions are because of life endangerment.

    It’s a factually and logically weak argument.
     
  16. gandalfe

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    Well, but that doesn't exist. At least, not in the sense that he seemed to mean it. There are obviously those who try to instill racism so that they're not lonely. But 99.9% of black people who say they were attacked because they were black probably were.
     
  17. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    Dont dodge the question. The extreme example was to demonstrate that things arent equal. I could post a white guy with no arms but has legs up against a Royce O'neal and that example is extreme still, but not as much. So the spread is smaller. Where does it meet or where does the white privilege kick in?

    What the hell does white privilege even mean if the guy with no arms and no legs doesnt even have it, and he is white?

    Who has white privilege? All white people? Some white people? A few white people?

    I say its a few white people. And i say there is black privilege too. See Jussie Smollett. Thats proof. You can choose to ignore if you want.
     
  18. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    And here we differ. I’m a white male. I’m as white as the driven snow. And I can think back to several occasions I have seen an expression of a demand for racism.

    Like when my female Navajo coworker was accused of racism against Native Americans by a Navajo woman. All because my coworker refused to break the law. The demand for racism does exist because it’s a convenient scapegoat and justification for failure, being ill prepared, laziness and what not. And I’ve seen it used by whites as often as any other group.

    I’ll agree that the majority of people that say they were the victim of racism were. But the % is an unknown. And it’s ebough to warrant looking at every case by the details
     
  19. Stoked

    Stoked Well-Known Member Contributor 2018 Award Winner

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    Post a question that’s worth answering and not built on a ******** extreme premise
     
  20. NPC D4617

    NPC D4617 Well-Known Member

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    You cant beat my logic. That's why you wont answer.

    I dont even have to use an extreme example. Just an ordinary example.

    White guy, no dad. Grew up very poor. In and out of jail. Got addicted to heroin. Overdoses. Has health problems. Dies at 25.

    Black guy. Grew up in above average household income status. College paid for. Both parents. Becomes an engineer and has 4 kids. Has a good life. Lives to 89

    Does the white guy still have some unfair advantage over the black guy.

    Or are you going to tell me that scenario could never exist?

    Or is it just easier to not think about how different things are from one person to the next?
     

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