Protestors storm capital

[Deleted member 365]

There is Kim, Courtney, and the other one that is dating the Blink182 drummer. I know there is at least one younger sibling that has the Jenner last name. She was the one in the Pepsi commercial where she got Antifa, BLM, The Proud Boys, and up-armored Police to stop mid-riot when they all realized they just needed a Pepsi, right? Isn’t there also a guy? The Kardashians aren’t all girls, are they? …And I have to know who they have all slept with?!? I remember something about the Mom hooking up with OJ Simpson. I knew I should have paid more attention in that class but it was on Monday mornings. I feel like I’m letting the country down but I think the real problem is that our country’s education system has let me down. I mean, who schedules classes on Monday mornings?

I think it goes beyond our education system. Especially when you consider that the demographic falling for Trump and Qanon the most (white boomers) grew up in the supposed “Golden Age” of public education.

I think our situation is a combination of other issues, such as:

* Race and racism.
* Loss of community in America. (Think Bowling Alone here)
* White evangelicalism and culture wars combined with anti-intellectualism.
* The real and perceived loss of social status and opportunity from large swaths of the country.
* Loss of trust in traditional media and the rise of conservative media and social media.
* Decades of unparalleled peace and prosperity. People just take their democracy for granted.
* The “celebrity worship” culture of America. Trump wouldn’t have been elected if it weren’t for The Apprentice.

While I’m sure there are things we could do differently in education, I don’t see it as the catalyst for America disintegrating into overthrowing its own democracy in exchange for the comfort of authoritarianism.

Have you read “The True Believer” by chance? It had some interesting pts that I think might apply here.

 

[One Brow]

If we're not careful we might end up with a political system that is far far far worse than the two-party system we have now, and that's a single-party system. And that's terrifying.

I would agree, but we have had effectively a single-party system at times in our history, and a second party always arises.

 

[Red]

Nate Persily, a professor of law at Stanford Law School had these thoughts regarding laws like the one the Texas governor wants to sign. Or, so much for “consent of the governed”.

Persily said it is “far from clear” whether a legislature can overturn an election but added that “one could easily envision” cases in which legislatures say the winner of an election is in dispute or that there are questions about election integrity and therefore that they need to intervene.

“If this practice becomes routine or institutionalized, then it converts elections into advisory exercises that legislatures can take or leave as they choose,” he said. “It undermines the central function of elections as the critical stage when consent of the governed is expressed. We do not know what impact these laws will have. In fact, we will only know once it is too late.”

 

[LogGrad98]

I would agree, but we have had effectively a single-party system at times in our history, and a second party always arises.

I don't know. Recency bias would suggest this is entirely different than in the past.

 

[Red]

If we're not careful we might end up with a political system that is far far far worse than the two-party system we have now, and that's a single-party system. And that's terrifying.

Republicans want a tyranny of the minority. No sacrifice, including democracy itself, is too great if it means maintaining an iron grip on power. I do not know if passing the For the People act will negate these state level Republican election laws, but if passing that legislation requires eliminating the filibuster, right now I doubt the Democrats will be able to do so, and Republicans should have an excellent chance at retaking both houses of Congress in 2022. When it will then be too late.

But, I continue to believe that reactionary political power, and a reactionary grip on culture, is doomed to fail in the long run. But it may be hell to pay putting it down for the sake of our national well being.

 

[Hax0rs]

Republicans want a tyranny of the minority. No sacrifice, including democracy itself, is too great if it means maintaining an iron grip on power. I do not know if passing the For the People act will negate these state level Republican election laws, but if passing that legislation requires eliminating the filibuster, right now I doubt the Democrats will be able to do so, and Republicans should have an excellent chance at retaking both houses of Congress in 2022. When it will then be too late.

But, I continue to believe that reactionary political power, and a reactionary grip on culture, is doomed to fail in the long run. But it may be hell to pay putting it down for the sake of our national well being.

Crazy, as a Libertarian I feel you Marxists are trying to do the exact same thing.

I guess we'll just continue tearing the country apart until either (Globalist/Authoritarian)Marxism or the (Nationalist/Individualist) Constitutionalism wins.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Have you read “The True Believer” by chance? It had some interesting pts that I think might apply here.

I have not but it does sound very interesting. Here was the top review on Amazon:

I first read this book in a college class in the 1960s - "the good old days". Hated it. Didn't impact me. I was just back from four years in the military in Asia and didn't have time for psycho-philosophy. I don't know why, but I kept the book over 60 years stuck somewhere in a box. I found it a couple of years ago and now that I've "grown up", I finally realize what an amazing book it is. Eric Hoffer nailed it. Want to know what's going on with the wackos burning Portland and Seattle? Here it is. Want to know why Nadler, Schiff, and Pelosi have gone nuts? Here is is. Want to find out how to set the world straight again? Forget it. There is nothing you can do with true believers. They stay that way and harden up. There is a lot going on in this little book. I sent my two sons copies because I can't explain the idiotic madness. Eric will have to do it for me. I'll bet the commie professors don't include this on their reading lists anymore.

If you are praising the book and this guy is praising the book, it seems to have a message that is more than a common "hooray for our side".

If you can paraphrase the points you think apply, I'm interested. I may have read something similar elsewhere that I can add. I do like to know what makes people tick. If I'm being completely honest, there are things being said and efforts being championed that don't make sense to me. I'm not talking 2+2=5, but 2+2=banana and vast crowds chanting "banana", "yeah, banana!".

 

[Hax0rs]

LMAO The police let people in. You even hear one cop say "I may not agree with it, but I respect it."

 

[One Brow]

LMAO The police let people in. You even hear one cop say "I may not agree with it, but I respect it."

We all appreciate your willingness to endorse violence in a cause you support, your throwing the dead and injured Capital police under the bus, and the transparent hypocrisy. Thank you.

 

[babe]

I don't know. Recency bias would suggest this is entirely different than in the past.

nah.


Trumpers are no different. What unites them is government over reach. They aren't going to become any kind of big idea Government. Wouldn't support a tyrant.

Never been a more diverse political combination of interests. Trump movement would disband if the guvmint bureaucracy pulled up stakes and left DC and just never went to work again.

 

[Hax0rs]

We all appreciate your willingness to endorse violence in a cause you support, your throwing the dead and injured Capital police under the bus, and the transparent hypocrisy. Thank you.

Why do you lie?

No officers died because of the protest. Officer Sicknick died of natural causes per CBS.
CBS Link

So why come here and lie, are you paid to lie here?

 

[One Brow]

Why do you lie?

No officers died because of the protest. Officer Sicknick died of natural causes per CBS.
CBS Link

So why come here and lie, are you paid to lie here?

Sorry, no lie. Still, I'm not surprised that, as usual, you are ignorant of the truth.

Brian Sicknick: US Capitol riot policeman 'died of natural causes'

Officials say Brian Sicknick died after suffering two strokes, a day after being confronted by rioters.

www.bbc.com

Due to privacy laws, Dr Diaz is unable to say whether the officer had any pre-existing medical conditions. However, he did acknowledge the policeman's role in the events, telling the Washington Post: "All that transpired played a role in his condition."

He would be alive right now if the Capital riot had not happened. Does that bother you? How about all the police that were injured? Does that bother you?