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Al-O-Meter said:
I would hope not. A few hundred people including a guy with a buffalo headdress delayed the EC vote recognition ceremony by 4 hours and were all arrested. Hang whatever scary terms on it you like but that is all it was and it has been handled. At this point the "investigation" that includes performances by the cast of Hamilton is nothing but an attempt to distract from a slew of real issues like:

- The very real threat of nuclear weapons being used by Putin after Biden publicly gave Putin the green light for a "minor incursion" into Ukraine
- Levels of inflation higher than anytime since the stagflation 70's thanks to spending bills passed by Democrats on a party line vote
- An economy that is ready to edge over into recession.
- A migrant crisis created when candidate Biden broadcast to the world on the debate stage that he wanted everyone to come to the US
- An anti-police sentiment that has led to an officer being killed every 5 days, often via ambush assassination.
- A President who is so obviously in mental decline that everyone knows whoever is really running the country right now was not on the ballot.

I would certainly hope the American public are smart enough to see that any one of those issue, let alone all of them in combination, is more important that some guy in a buffalo headdress delaying a ceremony by 4 hours back in January. The public opinion polls certainly support my faith in the American people.
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Ya it was all just a simple delay. Oh and people literally died. And were persuaded by the sitting president to stop the Electoral process so that he coukd retain power. No one had a noose and was chanting about hanging mike pence. No cops were injured or anything. No protesters were shot. No biggie.

Delaying a ceremony is a pretty stupid way to phrase what happened.


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gandalfe said:
For any long-term poster (not a new alt, which is most of my ignore list) I give them a reasonable chance to prove that they're not worthless.
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For what it’s worth…
People can change.
I am not the same person who posted a decade or more ago. And yet, despite that, I’m sure I’m on a few ignore lists because of what I used to be.
 
leftyjace said:
For what it’s worth…
People can change.
I am not the same person who posted a decade or more ago. And yet, despite that, I’m sure I’m on a few ignore lists because of what I used to be.
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fishonjazz said:
Ya it was all just a simple delay. Oh and people literally died. And were persuaded by the sitting president to stop the Electoral process so that he coukd retain power. No one had a noose and was chanting about hanging mike pence. No cops were injured or anything. No protesters were shot. No biggie.

Delaying a ceremony is a pretty stupid way to phrase what happened.


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It appeared to be a demonstration of how retarded it could get, how unimaginably limitless dumbassdom, a decent person’s own country can include and surface if given the chance.
So once again, America, you have dodged a good one.
The possibilities of human idiocy has scary thresholds that is only limited by the laws of physics.
 
leftyjace said:
For what it’s worth…
People can change.
I am not the same person who posted a decade or more ago. And yet, despite that, I’m sure I’m on a few ignore lists because of what I used to be.
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I actually did un-ignore Dutch at one point. That was a bad idea. I think I did that with Babe, briefly, but... nah. Babe is just SOOOOO close to being cogent, it's scary...
 
Al-O-Meter said:
would hope not. A few hundred people including a guy with a buffalo headdress delayed the EC vote recognition ceremony by 4 hours and were all arrested. Hang whatever scary terms on it you like but that is all it was and it has been handled. At this point the "investigation" that includes performances by the cast of Hamilton is nothing but an attempt to distract from a slew of real issues like:
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I certainly cannot agree with this. Trump, and elected officials that supported his Big Lie of a stolen election apparently plotted to steal the election. I’m not aware of that having happened before, in my lifetime, which goes back to Truman’s administration. That’s a very big deal to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but attempting to reverse the outcome by the means schemed by Trump and his supporters is actually not the way things are supposed to go down. And guess what? I take it personally. As anyone who voted for Biden is likewise entitled to do, should they so choose. The purpose of the Jan. 6 committee is to shed light on exactly what went down, certainly not simply with the insurrectionists alone, but the Republican Party officials who were supporting Trump’s efforts and offering suggestions that would help him stay in power.

Like MTG saying she and others thought martial law might be required, to quote her words: “save the republic”. “Excuse me, Marjorie, but who the eff do you think you are? “Save the Republic”, Marj? Sorry, but me and many like me are also Americans. The election was held, and Biden won. It is not your place to decide the republic is in danger unless you ignore the will of the people and refuse to accept the results. The accepted response is to experience disappointment that your guy lost, suck it up, and continue working as the ‘loyal opposition’.”

The Jan. 6th committee is going to shed light on this effort, and other efforts, to subvert our election, as it should. They did not succeed, but not for lack of some degree of actually trying. Since overturning the results of a fair election, well run by all accounts at the time, is a huge no-no, I do believe we owe it to the historical record alone to spell out what happened. It’s not my fault that these shenanigans was the work of MAGA Republicans. The events before, the day of, and in the aftermath of Jan. 6th involved MAGA Republicans attempting to subvert a fairly run election. It was not about Democrats trying to overturn a Trump win.

What they did was beyond the pale. I cannot yet say how history will portray these times and events. But we can gather the evidence that will illuminate the narrative, and bequeath at least that much to future historians.
 
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fishonjazz said:
Ya it was all just a simple delay. Oh and people literally died. And were persuaded by the sitting president to stop the Electoral process so that he coukd retain power. No one had a noose and was chanting about hanging mike pence. No cops were injured or anything. No protesters were shot. No biggie.

Delaying a ceremony is a pretty stupid way to phrase what happened.


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Why was a “delay” even necessary?

Donald’s own AG said that there wasn’t significant voter fraud. His cybersecurity chief called it the “cleanest election in recent history.” Donald’s personal lawyer lost something like 60 cases between November and January trying to press the case for voter fraud.

The tell is in the Eastman memos.

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They wanted to disrupt this process so the states could decide. The calculus was that there were more red controlled states than blue so Trump would win re-election despite being defeated by the popular vote and electoral college.

This is why the 2022 midterms are so important. If you vote to make Congress Republican, you’re essentially voting for Trump in 2024, and Republican for the foreseeable future. If in power of congress, Republicans will make sure their guy wins the white house in 2024 no matter what the actual election results are.

If Trump in power in 2025, just imagine what Putin will do around the world. Imagine the grift they Trump family would engage in. Imagine the attacks on minorities and immigrants. Or the horrific trade wars. Or the attacks on democracy. How would you ever dislodge Republicans from power? They’re an authoritarian movement. Yikes
 
Red said:
That’s a very big deal to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but attempting to reverse the outcome by the means schemed by Trump and his supporters is actually not the way things are supposed to go down.
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You're correct. It is not the way things are supposed to go down. It is also not the way it could possibly go down. Nothing could have been done on January 6th to make Trump the one to take the oath of office on January 20th. Even if Mike Pence had announced the election null and void before announcing Donald Trump as the winner, it still would have been Joe Biden taking the oath of office on January 20th. January 6th is a ceremony only. The next President is the one elected by the electoral college, not the one announced by the vice president. Those votes were cast back in December and everyone already knew every one of them. In the worst case scenario, the Supreme Court would have become involved and spent 5 minutes reading the constitution before announcing the winner of the electoral college vote as the next president.

Yes America has a lot of derpy people and some of them thought they could have done something to get Trump reappointed. Other equally derpy people believed our democracy was in danger because Trump almost got reappointed president. The media has happily churned out content to harvest clicks because the eyes of derpy people count as monetizable traffic. I don't have a problem with people looking into the events and I don't even fault the Democrats for generating as much publicity as possible in hopes it will help their odds in the next election but I'm not about to give those events more weight than Putin possibly starting a nuclear war. Every single item on my bullet-point list has killed more people and has a more immediate impact on you, me, and everyone else than the January 6th ceremony being delayed by 4 hours before Joe Biden was announced as the winner of the election exactly as he was supposed to have been.

America does have some derpy people but the public opinion polling tells me they aren't in the majority, and for that I am thankful.
 
The Thriller said:
If you vote to make Congress Republican, you’re essentially voting for Trump in 2024
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Right, because that is how it works. And fascism is when amusement parks don't get tax breaks. And republics are a kind of democracy rather than a distinct governmental structure which may or may not incorporate features from other types of government. And inflation will end in March 2022 because people will stop buying milk. Got it.

America does have some derpy people but the public opinion polling tells me they aren't in the majority, and for that I am thankful.
 
Red said:
I certainly cannot agree with this. Trump, and elected officials that supported his Big Lie of a stolen election apparently plotted to steal the election. I’m not aware of that having happened before, in my lifetime, which goes back to Truman’s administration. That’s a very big deal to me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but attempting to reverse the outcome by the means schemed by Trump and his supporters is actually not the way things are supposed to go down. And guess what? I take it personally. As anyone who voted for Biden is likewise entitled to do, should they so choose. The purpose of the Jan. 6 committee is to shed light on exactly what went down, certainly not simply with the insurrectionists alone, but the Republican Party officials who were supporting Trump’s efforts and offering suggestions that would help him stay in power.

Like MTG saying she and others thought martial law might be required, to quote her words: “save the republic”. “Excuse me, Marjorie, but who the eff do you think you are? “Save the Republic”, Marj? Sorry, but me and many like me are also Americans. The election was held, and Biden won. It is not your place to decide the republic is in danger unless you ignore the will of the people and refuse to accept the results. The accepted response is to experience disappointment that your guy lost, suck it up, and continue working as the ‘loyal opposition’.”

The Jan. 6th committee is going to shed light on this effort, and other efforts, to subvert our election, as it should. They did not succeed, but not for lack of some degree of actually trying. Since overturning the results of a fair election, well run by all accounts at the time, is a huge no-no, I do believe we owe it to the historical record alone to spell out what happened. It’s not my fault that these shenanigans was the work of MAGA Republicans. The events before, the day of, and in the aftermath of Jan. 6th involved MAGA Republicans attempting to subvert a fairly run election. It was not about Democrats trying to overturn a Trump win.

What they did was beyond the pale. I cannot yet say how history will portray these times and events. But we can gather the evidence that will illuminate the narrative, and bequeath at least that much to future historians.
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Fantastic Post! Perfection really.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
You're correct. It is not the way things are supposed to go down. It is also not the way it could possibly go down. Nothing could have been done on January 6th to make Trump the one to take the oath of office on January 20th. Even if Mike Pence had announced the election null and void before announcing Donald Trump as the winner, it still would have been Joe Biden taking the oath of office on January 20th. January 6th is a ceremony only. The next President is the one elected by the electoral college, not the one announced by the vice president. Those votes were cast back in December and everyone already knew every one of them. In the worst case scenario, the Supreme Court would have become involved and spent 5 minutes reading the constitution before announcing the winner of the electoral college vote as the next president.

Yes America has a lot of derpy people and some of them thought they could have done something to get Trump reappointed. Other equally derpy people believed our democracy was in danger because Trump almost got reappointed president. The media has happily churned out content to harvest clicks because the eyes of derpy people count as monetizable traffic. I don't have a problem with people looking into the events and I don't even fault the Democrats for generating as much publicity as possible in hopes it will help their odds in the next election but I'm not about to give those events more weight than Putin possibly starting a nuclear war. Every single item on my bullet-point list has killed more people and has a more immediate impact on you, me, and everyone else than the January 6th ceremony being delayed by 4 hours before Joe Biden was announced as the winner of the election exactly as he was supposed to have been.

America does have some derpy people but the public opinion polling tells me they aren't in the majority, and for that I am thankful.
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Ya i mean who cares right? If someone would have bombed the whitehouse and killed every person inside then who cares right? Trump still wouldn't have been the one to take the oath of office on january 20th so who cares?
 
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