Public nudity laws ignored during gay Pride?

[AtheistPreacher]

It's good to know that you've got your finger on the pulse of the most important messages at the heart of alternative sexualities. I'll PM you if I have any questions going forward.

I though the whole point of a messageboard was to advance your opinion on othah people's bidness? Or do you need to be gay to voice opinions on queer issues?

Besides, I know plenty about LGBT issues and queer theory. I took a class or two in college, and am actually just now adding Judith Butler's Gender Trouble to my dissertation bibliography. And who is going to deny that it's important for LGBT folks to clear up the confusion I mentioned?

 

[Jazz Spazz]

teh trolls be trollin

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[Jazz Spazz]

I completely acknowledge that that you believe that I "eventually" got around to saying we shouldn't decide other groups messages in post #9, while also noting that you are still wrong, and still in error, because I include that all the way back in post #2. That even after I pointed this out to you, you couldn't be bothered to figure it out, has provided continuing amusement for me since post #10.

There is nothing to be in error about.
My post clearly states I hope you get to the point you don't feel qualified to tell anyone what message they should be getting across.
Is the English language that difficult for you.
It's my hope and opinion.
There is nothing to prove wrong.

Continue your spinning mr top.

Your fixation on trying to sound smart and be right about everything has provided continuing amusement for me since you invented the centrifuge.

 

[One Brow]

There is nothing to be in error about.
My post clearly states I hope you get to the point you don't feel qualified to tell anyone what message they should be getting across.

You mean, as opposed to when I did feel qualified for that? When was that? 2009?

Is the English language that difficult for you.
It's my hope and opinion.
There is nothing to prove wrong.

If there is nothing to prove wrong, there is nothing that can be "completely correct", either.

Continue your spinning mr top.

Get back to me when you've figured out whether what you said was correct, or whether there was nothing to be proven wrong, and then tell me how I'm the one that's spinning.

Your fixation on trying to sound smart and be right about everything has provided continuing amusement for me since you invented the centrifuge.

I don't try to sound smart; I appreciate the compliment. I do try not to take a position on something unless I think I'm right about it. I suppose that since you find that worth condemning, that means you prattle on about things knowing you are wrong. That certainly explains your responses so far. I glad you're amuse though. We can amuse each other like this for several more pages, I suppose.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

You mean, as opposed to when I did feel qualified for that? When was that? 2009?

How about we start with today, and if you don't feel qualified as you are claiming, perhaps you should stop presenting yourself in such a way that clearly tells others you feel so.

If there is nothing to prove wrong, there is nothing that can be "completely correct", either.

Did you unintentionally learn something here? An opinion cannot be "correct" or wrong. It just is.

Get back to me when you've figured out whether what you said was correct, or whether there was nothing to be proven wrong, and then tell me how I'm the one that's spinning.

^^^^ You are the one spinning as you attempt to prove an opinion wrong. You are either ignorant or spinning. I chose spinning, but prove me wrong. heh

I don't try to sound smart; I appreciate the compliment. I do try not to take a position on something unless I think I'm right about it. I suppose that since you find that worth condemning, that means you prattle on about things knowing you are wrong. That certainly explains your responses so far. I glad you're amuse though. We can amuse each other like this for several more pages, I suppose.

I typed out a response to this, but it ended up not being nice, so I will refrain from responding to this the way I wanted to. This is a good example of your spinning at work, and a nice showing of your smug fake smart facade. I'm sure you could go on for pages on your own I suppose, feel free to do so

 

[PearlWatson]

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

 

[AtheistPreacher]

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

I guess you're about to fall and be destroyed.

 

[DutchJazzer]

time for some straight parade.
or some alternate fetish parade.
opr atypical straight sexual behavior parade.


these gays should stop flaunting their gross sexuality on me.

i dont go falunting all my sexual fetishes and rpeferences in the street.
i keep it private between me and my sexual partner(s).

they should all be locked up.

 

[DutchJazzer]

good thing there is not a urogolia and/or Coprophilia pride parade.

could you imagine what those people would do if they had there own little parade and acted like them gays?

good lord those uropheliacs and copropheliacs have more decencie than those gay homosexual.


i thank the lord everyday for this. those **** need to clean up there act. and act like normal people.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't feel qualified to tell gay people what message they should be getting across.

I think on some level it might be important for gay people to understand the people whose opinion they are trying to sway and tailor their message accordingly. If I am trying to get buy-in for a change I make at work, and I prepare a presentation about it, I go to some lengths to understand the stakeholders and what would sway their opinion in my favor and try to tailor my message to them. For the accounting group, I focus on the money aspects, for the HR group, I focus on associate involvement and impact, for the operations group I would focus on efficiency and productivity. So it is important that I understand my intended audience and tailor my message accordingly if I wish to accomplish anything. Similarly, not everyone who is opposed to homosexuality has the exact same opinion. Some are against it exclusively due to religion, some may believe it is against nature, others may believe it is damaging to children. Not everyone opposed to it has the exact same set of views.

So in a way it would make someone who is not gay qualified to specify what message should be expressed to address their concerns in particular.

If they are not trying to sway anyone's opinion then what is the point of the whole thing to begin with? I don't feel the need to set up a monogamous heterosexual rally in my town, as I do not feel any need to sway anyone's opinion regarding my monogamous heterosexuality.

 

[One Brow]

How about we start with today, and if you don't feel qualified as you are claiming, perhaps you should stop presenting yourself in such a way that clearly tells others you feel so.

I'll make that change after you quote post where I actually tell someone how to present their own needs and ideas.

Did you unintentionally learn something here? An opinion cannot be "correct" or wrong. It just is.

Thank you for confirming your own contradiction. I've been aware for years that something which can't be proven wrong can also not be correct. some opinions fall into this category, some do not.

^^^^ You are the one ...

Thank you for agreeing you were not "completely correct".

I typed out a response to this, but it ended up not being nice, so I will refrain from responding to this the way I wanted to. This is a good example of your spinning at work, and a nice showing of your smug fake smart facade. I'm sure you could go on for pages on your own I suppose, feel free to do so

It's good to know you think of yourself as trying to be nice. The reason you think I try to tell people what they should be saying, or doing, is because I appeal to people's better natures, and they resent the difference I highlight between who they want to see themselves (and society) as being and who they are as a part of society.

If it brings you comfort to think I put any time or effort into trying to sound smart, OK. Your world view seems precarious enough, why disturb it further?

 

[One Brow]

I think on some level it might be important for gay people to understand the people whose opinion they are trying to sway and tailor their message accordingly. ... Similarly, not everyone who is opposed to homosexuality has the exact same opinion. Some are against it exclusively due to religion, some may believe it is against nature, others may believe it is damaging to children. Not everyone opposed to it has the exact same set of views.

So in a way it would make someone who is not gay qualified to specify what message should be expressed to address their concerns in particular.

If they are not trying to sway anyone's opinion then what is the point of the whole thing to begin with? I don't feel the need to set up a monogamous heterosexual rally in my town, as I do not feel any need to sway anyone's opinion regarding my monogamous heterosexuality.

I have no issues with your work examples. One difference is that at work, you are not talking about your basic human freedoms. Another difference is that, historically, the accounting department has not used "talk about numbers" in order to keep a conversation focused about small changes and what makes them comfortable, even if that means the labor division is seeing more injuries to workers because of it (and I'm sure if your employees safety was being endangered by penny-pinching, you'd feel much more strongly about including human elements in your talk with the accountants). Historically, the DutchJazzers of the world have used this sort of tone-policing to keep any sort of act they dislike out of the public eye, even hand-holding.

Back in post #2, I said that I didn't understand the importance of nudity (if there is nudity, as opposed to say the wearing of very skimpy clothes), and that tradition is not a sufficient reason to beak the law. However, who are we to tell them nothing more important than tradition is at stake?

 

[One Brow]

How about we start with today,

Speaking of which, even though we don't often agree in here, it's nice to have you back.

 

[green]

I think on some level it might be important for gay people to understand the people whose opinion they are trying to sway and tailor their message accordingly. If I am trying to get buy-in for a change I make at work, and I prepare a presentation about it, I go to some lengths to understand the stakeholders and what would sway their opinion in my favor and try to tailor my message to them. For the accounting group, I focus on the money aspects, for the HR group, I focus on associate involvement and impact, for the operations group I would focus on efficiency and productivity. So it is important that I understand my intended audience and tailor my message accordingly if I wish to accomplish anything. Similarly, not everyone who is opposed to homosexuality has the exact same opinion. Some are against it exclusively due to religion, some may believe it is against nature, others may believe it is damaging to children. Not everyone opposed to it has the exact same set of views.

So in a way it would make someone who is not gay qualified to specify what message should be expressed to address their concerns in particular.

If they are not trying to sway anyone's opinion then what is the point of the whole thing to begin with? I don't feel the need to set up a monogamous heterosexual rally in my town, as I do not feel any need to sway anyone's opinion regarding my monogamous heterosexuality.

While I agree with your post, my question/thought is this:

I don't know if LGBT community should be worried about what they are selling during their parade. They aren't at a church group, trying to sell themselves. They aren't at the legislature lobbying for change.

They are at a parade, trying to celebrate themselves and their culture. If I don't like it, I'll go somewhere else that weekend. I really try to live by my culture and faith, the LDS faith. One issue I have with members and the church at times is that for some reason, we don't really believe this article:

"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Speaking of which, even though we don't often agree in here, it's nice to have you back.

thx

 

[DutchJazzer]

While I agree with your post, my question/thought is this:

I don't know if LGBT community should be worried about what they are selling during their parade. They aren't at a church group, trying to sell themselves. They aren't at the legislature lobbying for change.

They are at a parade, trying to celebrate themselves and their culture. If I don't like it, I'll go somewhere else that weekend. I really try to live by my culture and faith, the LDS faith. One issue I have with members and the church at times is that for some reason, we don't really believe this article:

"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

so what if the parade passes your house(now maybe you live in subrubia) but in amsterdamm it passes a lot of peoples homes.
i dont go dancing halfnaked and doing hetero sexual things in peoples frontyard/street.

 

[green]

so what if the parade passes your house(now maybe you live in subrubia) but in amsterdamm it passes a lot of peoples homes.
i dont go dancing halfnaked and doing hetero sexual things in peoples frontyard/street.

I'm a big believer in live and let live. IF it does pass by my house I have a couple of options:

1 - Close the blinds.
2 - Go away that day.
3 - Move.

If they did is spontaneously, and didn't give me time to plan, then I have an issue with it. If it was announced well before the event, then I need to take responsibility for my kids and what I deem appropriate/inappropriate.

It's no different that shows on tv. I don't want networks/politicians deciding what is okay for me and my family. Give me a description of what's in the show (language, violence, nudity, etc) and I'll decide what's okay for my kids. I have never seen Titanic and never will. I watch other R rated movies all the time.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm a big believer in live and let live. IF it does pass by my house I have a couple of options:

1 - Close the blinds.
2 - Go away that day.
3 - Move.

If they did is spontaneously, and didn't give me time to plan, then I have an issue with it. If it was announced well before the event, then I need to take responsibility for my kids and what I deem appropriate/inappropriate.

It's no different that shows on tv. I don't want networks/politicians deciding what is okay for me and my family. Give me a description of what's in the show (language, violence, nudity, etc) and I'll decide what's okay for my kids. I have never seen Titanic and never will. I watch other R rated movies all the time.

In all fairness you have another option: do something about it. Petition to have the parade routes moved, for example. I am a strong believer in individual rights, but only as long as they don't impinge on other's rights. This is always a dicey subject, but I think I should be allowed to spend an afternoon in my front yard and NOT be subjected to illegal behavior, whatever form that might take. If that particular behavior happens to be legal wherever you live, then it is time to think about moving on or trying to get the laws changed. But it is reasonable to expect people to obey the current laws of society, or do something to get them changed, without impinging on others' rights to do so.

 

[PearlWatson]

I'm a big believer in live and let live. IF it does pass by my house I have a couple of options:

1 - Close the blinds.
2 - Go away that day.
3 - Move.

Yeah, if you don't like homosexuals prancing naked in worship on the public streets in front of your house. Move.