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Radical islamists killing atheists now..

well, maybe, except when they're setting themselves on fire

they seem to have a bit of a fascination with that as a means of protest, though I'm not sure how effective it is. But is definitely is NOT chill!
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Haha. Hey, if the worst they do is hurt themselves to protest, I'll take it.

Plus, without, we would never have had a cool CD cover.
 
Don't you think that if you blow up your own buildings, throw acid on girls for going to school, not allow your women any rights, and use such strict rules that don't allow for any outside the box thinking or creativity all in the name of religion that maybe it might have an affect on the poor living conditions you find yourself in?

you didnt answer my question
 
Precisely. Islam is more resistant to adaptation. Look at "secular" Muslim countries like Syria.

Muslim-majority countries certainly have shown to be more secular than their Christian counterparts through extensive parts of history. Again, using a relatively short period of history to paint the entire population of a faith's followers is inaccurate. Islam will be practiced theocratically in the Middle East as long as the desire for oil is maintained.


Which raises what should be the key question(s) in this discussion: Is the dogma/culture of Islam less amenable to secularization than other large world religions? Why or why not?

Neither side has attempted to answer that question in this thread.


I think I have. History shows that Muslim societies can certainly reconcile secularism with their faith. Of course, in a time where religious-nationalism is being used to assert power across vast desolate regions in the world, this wont be the case. Especially as long as many world powers dont really want it to be toppled anytime soon.
 
There are gonna be big issues with muslims in Europe along the road.

lol. Ya. Just like those 'issues' that the massive Turkish population has raised in Germany since the fall of the Ottoman empire.
 
I think you are really wrong on this one. Lets dig up some data by deaths and compare. How did Islam spread from Saudi Arabia through Africa and Asia? By peaceful education and convincing other nonbelievers? You must be kidding yourself if you believe it.

I'm not wrong. Read a book. Nothing Islam has ever done will ever compare to the Spanish Inquisition, really. Aside from maybe this recent ISIS problem if it continues to permanence.
 
One big problem is the existence of Hadith, and how entrenched it is in Muslim culture. Throughout history, any ruler who wanted to make up a "doctrinal" point would come up with a supposed ruling by Prophet Mohammad to support his claim. So we ended up with 10s of thousands of doctrines that can be used to justify whatever the hell one wants. And given the nature of those who created Hadiths, one cannot be surprised that many of them can be extremely backward and harmful. For example, the entirety of Sharia laws comes from Hadith.

And it isn't like you can safely challenge those doctrines. A couple of years ago, I mentioned the unreliability of Hadith to a relative in a discussion about religion, and we almost came to blows. It is just too deeply entrenched in the the culture.

I do think this can be reformed. And I do meet more and more young people (myself included) who find the hadiths ridiculous. But again, while these voices will be strong, they will only have merit in a region ready for regime change. There is no ****ing way that it'll happen so long as Saudi exists-- a role in which the US has a strong desire to maintain, unfortunately. No one seems to want to tackle this ugly truth. No one seems to want to realize how much of the perpetuation of terrorism is due to US action.
 
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YOu have simply got to love how much the US condemns Iran, and speaks publically regarding its inhumanity-- yet they stay mum in terms fo voicing displeasure with a country that is quite honestly far, far worse. I would MUCH rather live in Iran than Saudi. 100 times over. Even as a non-Muslim.
 
you didnt answer my question
Apparently you didn't ask a very clear concise question or I would have. I don't dodge questions.
 
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