Ramifications of our actions

[JGolds]

I am confused on on what this thread is about.. sounds like a mix of everything. some hienz 57.

 

[mellow]

You're an idiot. We are happy with those things. We LOVED a 42-40 team that tried. We supported the third worst team in the NBA, knowing we would get a great lottery pick to compliment our hard working players on the 42-40 team. We don't like players that don't try. We don't like when the Jazz decide getting swept in the first round is better than getting better. We don't like being slightly better than average.

Again, you are an idiot. Greg Miller has made, at worst, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS off the Jazz. In fact, if you looked at their total profits from the day they bought the Jazz, I bet the profits are OVER A BILLION DOLLARS. And that doesn't include how he has used the Jazz and the goodwill of the fans to build his other ventures.

So I think you just helped make my point. Jazz fans are terrible. In everything I posted you found a reason to be angry. If you weren't a member of the Jazzfanz forum I would think you were a Houston or Denver fan come to antagonize. You remind me of a guy I know who refuses to cheer for the Jazz because they let him down by losing the championship two years in a row. Has the Jazz ever done something you approved of?

Being a Jazz fan is not life or death, its about a game, its about having a distraction to enjoy. If you're not enjoying it why be a fan? Just to stick around and take out the frustration of your life on ball players and those around them?

And here is a bit of free advice, Call it the Idiots guide to a meaningful life. The NBA, just like life, is not a level playing field. If you go through life or watch the Jazz expecting things to be fair you are going to be disappointed. If you go through life expecting the Jazz or the people around you to never make a mistake you will be very lonely until you learn forgiveness. When you call people names or boo, or otherwise spew anger you lose your humanity.

So maybe KOC landed Al instead of Paul Gasol, but he also landed Al instead of Charlie Villanueva. Maybe Paul George is better than Hayward, but Hayward is much better than Xavier Henry or that center from Kansas. And maybe the Jazz aren't the Lakers or Heat, but they aren't the Suns, Kings, Hornets, or Bobcats either.

 

[YB85]

If only we weren't as bitter and mean as Texas fans, free agents would flock here.

https://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/stor...eles-angels-greeted-boos-texas-rangers-return

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

I didn't listen to Locke so I am relying on what ya'll posted. So the fans are booing, Locke says something and the concensus here is that the Jazz Org. is doing something wrong.

I disagree. Utah fans are terrible. Former players come back and they are booed. KOC works miracles and he is booed, Greg Miller keeps the team and he is mocked. Ty Corbin makes a relatively successful transitions from a HOF coach and he is mocked, booed, and called an idiot. The team is trying to make the playoffs and they are ripped apart by a bunch of twitter hacks and posters, booed by some and ignored by too many. Al Jefferson is considered the #2 FA this summer and Jazz fanz can't wait for him to be gone.

Jazz Lost the starting Center, PF, SF, sg, and pg from the 2010 playoff team, and then lost the coach and #1 assistant but still have managed to make the playoffs last season and be right on the edge again this year. While still managing to assemble 4 lottery pick players.


Jazz fanz booed Derick Fisher despite Fisher making what should have been one of the most storied playoff appearnces in franchise history.

We booed Boozer for leaving even though we booed him or demanded he be traded the entire time he was here.

D-will was traded, for players and picks that we all love, and we boo him when he returns.

AK brought energy and excitement to a City that out of loyalty had endured too many dwindling years of Stockton & Malone--and we booed him, mocked him, begged for him to be traded.

Harpring missed too many lay-ups. Okur was too slow and should have played inside. Sloan was too predictible. Miller was both too cheap to bring in good FA's and paying the luxary tax for players that we all didn't like.

Jazz needed a new face, a new identity, they drafted Hayward, and we booed.

We were excited to be rid of Boozer, and getting a real player like Jefferson who blocks shots. Now he sucks, can't wait for him to leave. Boozer was fake we hated him. Jefferson is real we hate him. Deron was moody we called him mean. Hayward keeps his head, we call him soft.


We boo Jefferson, we boo Mo, we boo Marvin, we boo Foye. We want them gone. Whoever replaces them we will boo them too. Hell we even boo the sorry chap Jimmer Freddette when he gets to play his pathetic two minutes.

What would make Jazz fanz happy? We weren't happy with 50+ wins and conference finals, we weren't happy with rebuilding, we weren't happy with old system, we aren't happy with the new. So what is managment left to consider?

Greg Miller was in NY this week to be on the Committee of NBA owners who were evaluating the proposals from the Seattle and Sacramento. If I was Greg it would be VERY difficult to not consider selling. Whats that? He can't risk his other business's by upsetting the people?---The people are already upset, and maybe nothing is going to make them happy.

Go Jazz.

And this makes the Jazz fan base different from other fan bases how? Which is the polite, always optimistic/cheerful fan base you have in mind as a basis for comparison here?

I see your point, but all you've done is described sports fans. Nothing unique here to Utah or the Jazz. It's hard to believe that the Miller and the Jazz FO are naive enough to believe that it would be better anywhere else.

 

[green]

So I think you just helped make my point. Jazz fans are terrible. In everything I posted you found a reason to be angry. If you weren't a member of the Jazzfanz forum I would think you were a Houston or Denver fan come to antagonize. You remind me of a guy I know who refuses to cheer for the Jazz because they let him down by losing the championship two years in a row. Has the Jazz ever done something you approved of?

Being a Jazz fan is not life or death, its about a game, its about having a distraction to enjoy. If you're not enjoying it why be a fan? Just to stick around and take out the frustration of your life on ball players and those around them?

And here is a bit of free advice, Call it the Idiots guide to a meaningful life. The NBA, just like life, is not a level playing field. If you go through life or watch the Jazz expecting things to be fair you are going to be disappointed. If you go through life expecting the Jazz or the people around you to never make a mistake you will be very lonely until you learn forgiveness. When you call people names or boo, or otherwise spew anger you lose your humanity.

So maybe KOC landed Al instead of Paul Gasol, but he also landed Al instead of Charlie Villanueva. Maybe Paul George is better than Hayward, but Hayward is much better than Xavier Henry or that center from Kansas. And maybe the Jazz aren't the Lakers or Heat, but they aren't the Suns, Kings, Hornets, or Bobcats either.

LOL. You are a douche. LOL.

 

[MoreFeasts]

I see things.

 

[green]

And this makes the Jazz fan base different from other fan bases how? Which is the polite, always optimistic/cheerful fan base you have in mind as a basis for comparison here?

I see your point, but all you've done is described sports fans. Nothing unique here to Utah or the Jazz. It's hard to believe that the Miller and the Jazz FO are naive enough to believe that it would be better anywhere else.

I guarantee the Millers would make less money elsewhere and we would have a franchise within two years if the Jazz left. Do you think owners of the Kings, Hornets, Bobcats, Timberwolves, Bucks, and every other "small" market team other than SA and OKC would rather stay in their cities than ours? You can put a horrible team on the court and you still sell 18,000 seats a night.

Also, another reason the Jazz aren't going anywhere:

The Millers OWN the ESA. They would be giving up 22 million a year in pure profits by not having NBA games there. Don't anyone give in to these douche bags.

 

[Stoked]

I guarantee the Millers would make less money elsewhere and we would have a franchise within two years if the Jazz left. Do you think owners of the Kings, Hornets, Bobcats, Timberwolves, Bucks, and every other "small" market team other than SA and OKC would rather stay in their cities than ours? You can put a horrible team on the court and you still sell 19,000 seats a night.

Also, another reason the Jazz aren't going anywhere:

The Millers OWN the ESA. They would be giving up 22 million a year in pure profits by not having NBA games there. Don't anyone give in to these douche bags.

Fixed and only emphasizes your point more.

 

[Magic Spray]

I think this is pretty toolish of Locke.

Boom.

So if I believe the lines that have been fed to me over many many years, Salt Lake is unique because the fan-base is super passionate and myopic and would even boo Jesus Christ if he suited up for the Lakers; yet the media is the softest in the nation and Karl Malone would have blown his brains out by '88 if he had played in Philadelphia.

Which begs the question to me: If the local media played it harder with the Jazz organization from the Millers down to those whack time keepers that can never re-set the shot clock right on nationally televised games, would us fans feel a little less like it was all on us to boo the Jazz?

Because last I checked, Jazz fans boo right now because Jefferson is a candy-a** defender, Mo Williams and Randy Foye shoot us out of games as much as they shoot us into games, Corbin refuses to play winning combinations/substitution patterns, the front office--while mostly competent--also pulls boners like matching OKC's offer to CJ Miles, not matching Wes Matthews offer from Portland, passing on Tony Parker, Boozer, Jefferson, and Paul George in the draft and drafting Raul Lopez, Curtis Borchardt, Kris Humphries/Kirk Snyder, Gordon Hayward instead. And while we're on the subject of the front office, it's great that they're tight-lipped, but the only info coming out of there is: "we gotta get more mature, we gotta get better."

So if Locke would actually ask KOC/Lindsay/Rigby/Corbin/Greg Miller some of these questions instead of slobbering their knobs, then maybe as fans we'd be a little more patient/understanding of what the hell Corbin is doing leaving Burks on the bench while Mo/Foye shoot 3/88 combined because Locke has already asked him what the hell was he thinking.

tl;dr: the media is so soft that fans have to take matters into their own hands.

 

[rubberbandman84]

Locke' Jazz fan's booing podcast did bother me because he was wrong about why Jazz fans were booing.

Locke assumed Jazz Fans were booing shouldn't of happened and wasn't deserved because SIMPLY, the Jazz players were beaten by a better team. WRONG LOCKE. Jazz fans were booing because (in a very important game, a must win, make the playoffs effort, at home, type of game)the Jazz players came out with no effort and to me showed a lack of interest to win or even compete during the game. Why do you think Jazz fans chant for Carrol to enter the game? Because DC, despite his all-around basketball skills - at least, gives it his all on the court. In other words he hustles.....that's all Jazz fans want....Hustle and Desire.
To watch Big Al just stand there (and it wasn't just Big Al in the Denver game), make no effort to stop any Nugget player's (Andre Miller, etc...) just letting them blow by and drive the lane with ease, scoring lay-up after lay-up right at the rim.... really, was getting pretty pathetic.

Two games this year, I remember hearing distinct "booing"....the Houston blowout and this Denver game. Jazz fans also actually (to my surprise) strangely started cheering, both for Houston and Denver in theses games...
Why? I think, mostly it happened, because Houston and Denver we're playing exactly how we wanted the Jazz team to be playing, with that same "Hustle and Desire".
I also felt Locke was "irked" or angry about some of the fan base "booing" (despite Locke qualifying this first by saying, "they have the right to do it"). Really, the only point I got out of this "rant" or tone of his podcast and "Lecture" was that it actually came across as more of a threat to the Jazz fan base...in other words, Locke was scolding Jazz fans for booing (despite, Jazz players obvious lack of effort) and as a warning to us if it continued that no good players will ever come to Utah because of it, and that the Jazz will be a bad team forever if it was to continue.

Locke, has a right to his opinion, just as we as Jazz fans do...concerning this matter though, my opinion was that his assumption was wrong (about players coming to Utah) and that it also felt condescending and as I said before, meant as "threatening"