Rational CoViD-19 Discussion Thread: Science vs. Politics

[babe]

Not surprising that some want to exploit an epidemic/pandemic for political purposes. Leave that crap outta this thread.

OK, I've looked around, and some of the "Conspiracy Theorist" types have produced some facts about similarities with the "novel" virus with other viruses and can make it out as a laboratory monster released to control overpopulation or finally get the socialist flag planted on the political Earth equivalent of Suribachi.

Doesn't even matter, really.

CoViD-19 is something we could manage to reduce to a blip if we really wanted to do that.

It is not beyond our technology to manage.

This thread is for how to manage it, and destroy it's political uses.

 

[babe]

Here's an item on some ideas for treating it, or curing it..... via drugs now on our pharmaceutical catalog shelves.....

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-repurposed-treatments-drugs

reading the article, quite a ways down, there's an account of an older woman recovering dramatically when given Tamiflu.

 

[babe]

Public health measures are right now the thing we know we can do to stop c20. I get tired of long names, this is enough. When I write c20 you know what I mean.

c20 will be slowed, the incidence curve flattened, by every kind of measure that reduces carrier contact with unexposed populations. It will extend the time frame some, but greatly reduce the mortality rate for the simple reason that we can treat a certain number of people and so long as we don't have more patients than we can treat, we will have a much reduced mortaility and disability rate produced.

c20 will also be slowed by every kind of sanitary/disinfecting procedure applied to any site with the c20 either in the air, or on trafficked surfaces like floor, doors, bathrooms, food surfaces either in the kitchen or at the table.

c20 will be slowed by every invidual who uses good hygiene when needed.... handwashing, face masks, containing infected fluids and properly removing these things from possible contact with others.

 

[Miggs]

Please lock this mods.

 

[babe]

c20 medical treatment will likely improve dramatically and quickly, with the application of available resources plus those being developed now.

Important facts that make c20 worth extraordinary measures include the higher "infectivity" that results from more effective binding to respiratory cell surfaces like the alveoli in the lungs. I think one thing that doctors are missing, still, is the benefits of general anitbiotics to a viral disease whose effects are predominantly secondary infection problems....

If you are facing the reality of this viral infection, ask your doctor to address the secondary infection problem with some good anti-biotics.

If you think you might be a carrier, or have some possible contact with a carrier, remember the surfaces affected are all exposed to the air, and the virus is killed by strong oxidizer agents like ozone and chlorine, which might irritate your passages, but like a swimming pool odor won't seriously affect you, and will disproportionately impair viruses and bacteria.

 

[babe]

Please lock this mods.

What a horses' ***.

Can't permit the posting of actual science.

I have worked in "clean room" situations in viral research, I know what can be done to make an area safer. I know some things we can try to do to limit the progress of a viral infection. No I'm not a doctor, just a damn chemist/biological research worker.

There are quite a few actual scientific articles available now relevant to this topic, and I will be bringing more in here.

 

[DasJazz]

I think we've been fear mongered into hysteria over this virus which to date is barely, if that, a drop in the pan globally.

 

[babe]

I think we've been fear mongered into hysteria over this virus which to date is barely, if that, a drop in the pan globally.

I can't just discount "news" or rumors from Iran or China regarding the probable severity of this viral disease, or the actual news outta Italy and Europe..... But there is a reasonable way to approach this, still......

 

[Miggs]

Whatevs. I’ll just block this POS.

 

[babe]

So just browsing around, here's a bit from England worth a comment, as an example of the public information/misinformation problem.....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-symptoms-should-i-see-doctor-covid-19

reading down a bit, there is an observation on the serious effects including "organ failure", but following that is a false..... well..... misleading assertion that antibiotics can't help a viral disease.

Sure, antibiotics kill bacterial infectious agents, not viruses generally...… but some "antibiotics" can kill some viruses actually. Generally reactive chemicals like soap achieve their action by disrupting organized structures due to solubility capacities. Soap breaks up cell membranes, but can disrupt a viral particle as well, depending on the exact viral particle's chemistry and organization. Oxidizing agents actually destroy the chemistry required in many materials, for a a virus or a bacteria to survive.....

But most important, what the Guardian has wrong here, is that the c20 virus affects organs outside the lungs primarily by toxins.... bacterially produced and maybe even transported via a bacterial infection spread into those organs. So, in such a case, antibiotics can prevent the organ failures..... and indeed should be in consideration of doctors treating patients of c20.

The c20 infection in the lungs produces a cellular debris field that is extremely suitable for rapid bacterial infectious agents to rapidly produce a serious infection, toxemia.... and death via organ failures, not just breathing difficulty.

 

[babe]

Whatevs. I’ll just block this POS.

There'll be stuff here that could help you.

Sometimes, you have to hold your nose and go get the good stuff where you think the stink is intolerable.

 

[babe]

Here's another good article, which brings us up to date almost on the vaccine front, and also mentions Tamiflu trials that are surprising some as having a positive effect....

https://www.livescience.com/can-coronavirus-be-cured.html

Looks like some standard decongestant products already available are also helpful here.