Rational CoViD-19 Discussion Thread: Science vs. Politics

[Jonah]

I know nothing. Extrapolation from a few inane news blips. I thought they were not doing anything at all to slow it down. With 90% undiagnosed non symptomatic spreaders, and maybe two weeks each on the prowl, it should have gotten to everybody inside three weeks..... Making it news that Sweden is now getting a new spike, what gives.

Sweden took a softer approach in that schools and restaurants have remained open but large gatherings have been banned and social distancing is encouraged. The soft approach strategy is based on the idea that it’s something people can better abide long-term, as in a year or more, it has never been open everything, do nothing, and this will all be over in a few weeks.

 

[babe]

Sweden took a softer approach in that schools and restaurants have remained open but large gatherings have been banned and social distancing is encouraged. The soft approach strategy is based on the idea that it’s something people can better abide long-term, as in a year or more, it has never been open everything, do nothing, and this will all be over in a few weeks.

Thanks for this information.

 

[babe]

Because herd immunity never kicks in absent an intensive vaccination program.

Probably. Thanks for the assertion.

How did that work with the American Indians and smallpox? Europeans could deliberatelys sell infectedl blankets to the natives, then after a short while, just move in with a smile. With no vaccine.

 

[One Brow]

Probably. Thanks for the assertion.

How did that work with the American Indians and smallpox? Europeans could deliberatelys sell infectedl blankets to the natives, then after a short while, just move in with a smile. With no vaccine.

1) Smallpox killed a lot of Europeans, so there was no herd immunity.
2) Even before vaccines, people would undergo inoculation. Washington required this process in 1777 for Continental soldiers. This practice did increase resistance.
3) Native Americans did not instigate the same quarantine practices as the Europeans, so were more vulnerable to disease spread.
4) There's only one know instance of an attempt to spread smallpox by blankets.

 

[babe]

1) Smallpox killed a lot of Europeans, so there was no herd immunity.
2) Even before vaccines, people would undergo inoculation. Washington required this process in 1777 for Continental soldiers. This practice did increase resistance.
3) Native Americans did not instigate the same quarantine practices as the Europeans, so were more vulnerable to disease spread.
4) There's only one know instance of an attempt to spread smallpox by blankets.

The British used it against Pontiac's allies.

 

[babe]

Well, you held out longer than I would have guessed.


Do you have any reasonable evidence of the virus changing? I've yet to see proof of that although it's seems possible and even likely.

I see reasonable evidence that authorities are changing their opinions. Discussions of the actual genome are being systematically suppressed on the net, and not published in the peer reviewed journals.

 

[babe]

I see reasonable evidence that authorities are changing their opinions. Discussions of the actual genome are being systematically suppressed on the net, and not published in the peer reviewed journals.


The posting system appears to have a glitch. I get to reply, but cannot just start a fresh comment.

I haven't been paying very much attention to this since I got disgusted with the lack of a solid scientific reporting system. The various categories of presumptive diagnosis reports, unsupported by dependable testing of any kind, just drove me nuts.

But Fauci and his sidekick who used to stand up with Trump and throw out incredibly stupid numbers and scare everybody became so despised in the public for their wild talk, even Trump couldn't use them.

But the new surge appears real. People who work in the care business are saying the cases are coming in.

I think it is the unimproved air conditioning systems many places like bars or nightclubs..... almost every business..... has in place. The moving air floats the virus. The moving air is not cleaned and creates a moving stream of suspended dust or other particles that can carry the virus and recirculate it. Apartments, particular larger multiple units with common air conditioning......

It is easy enough to install a strong uv light across a chamber in the duct work that would disinfect the recirculated air. Common particle filters, and electrostatic systems can remove most particles.

Too many kids think the danger is not real.

 

[babe]

I'm thinking that my sources in the care end of this issue are confirming the new wave. People are coming in sick.

My first wild guess as to "why" goes to the air conditioning systems.....

old, unimproved systems recirculate air without any cleaning in the process. Such systems collect and recirculate floating particles and dust. Such particles can carry the virus and keep it suspended much longer.

It's easy enough to install uv disinfectant chambers in the ductwork, as well as actual filters or electrostatic units that will collect the particles.

bars, nightclubs, movie theaters, stores, motels, apartments, care centers, hospitals should improve their HVAC.

Some of it also has to be kids disregarding good sense, I suppose.

 

[babe]

Hey.... this is a test........ what's going on in here???

 

[babe]

Hey, this is a Fauci conspiracy theory about Bill Gates and his vaccine business hiring people in decision making government roles to boost their control of the vaccine market. Do we get to talk about crap?

 

[babe]

Hey, this is a Fauci conspiracy theory about Bill Gates and his vaccine business hiring people in decision making government roles to boost their control of the vaccine market. Do we get to talk about crap?

hmmm...... a while ago I did an actual informed comment and it wouldn't post. Do we have AI thought police at work in JFC???

 

[Ron Mexico]

I see reasonable evidence that authorities are changing their opinions. Discussions of the actual genome are being systematically suppressed on the net, and not published in the peer reviewed journals.

It does appear to have changed and there is evidence of that recently. A lot of people assumed it would change or had changed but no one had any proof. There is some now.

Even the latest outbreak in Beijing seems to be a different one. It might even be different from the one in USA/Europe.