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Report: Gordon Hayward, Utah Jazz discussing contract extension

I'm the Ersan expert here.

Ersan's post defense is somewhat weak but he does all the little and dirty things on the court to cover it.
 
GVC said:
Per ShamSports.com, the cap holds for Gordo and Favors are:

Favors: $12,016,392

Gordo: $8,630,458

So...signing the two to extensions shouldn't significantly affect the Jazz's 2014 cap space.
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Thanks as usual, GVC. You're the new Kenwood. I predict Favors comes in at around that number or a bit less and Gordo a bit more. So yes, signing the two has minimal effect on cap space.
 
Ersan is a good team defender. Different straosphere than Al Jefferson
 
Two pages to cover stuff that was discussed on page one? Cool.

I don't know how the Jazz can determine contract value for either Hayward or Favors.
 
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franklin said:
I don't know how the Jazz can determine contract value for either Hayward or Favors.
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********. There's loads of information on past players, their performance, and their contracts. The FO should have some idea about which teams will (/are likely to have) cap space, which players will be free agents, and team-specific needs.

The FO should be able to construct some reasonable distribution over individual (for Favors and Hayward) and team performance over the life of their contract extensions.

Given this, estimates of team revenue, and the FO's short- and long-term strategies and attitudes toward risk and ambiguity (uncertainty), there should be a large set of contracts the team is willing to offer to both Favors and Hayward. For example, they'd certainly extend them for the minimum for 4 or 5 years. Whether there's any overlap between what the FO is willing to offer and the players are willing to accept is unknown.

Yes, contract offers made today can affect the relationship between the FO and the player/agent, but even agents depend on having working relationships with all teams to get the best contracts for their players. They can't afford to get their feelings hurt.
 
GVC said:
********. There's loads of information on past players, their performance, and their contracts. The FO should have some idea about which teams will (/are likely to have) cap space, which players will be free agents, and team-specific needs.

The FO should be able to construct some reasonable distribution over individual (for Favors and Hayward) and team performance over the life of their contract extensions.

Given this, estimates of team revenue, and the FO's short- and long-term strategies and attitudes toward risk and ambiguity (uncertainty), there should be a large set of contracts the team is willing to offer to both Favors and Hayward. For example, they'd certainly extend them for the minimum for 4 or 5 years. Whether there's any overlap between what the FO is willing to offer and the players are willing to accept is unknown.

Yes, contract offers made today can affect the relationship between the FO and the player/agent, but even agents depend on having working relationships with all teams to get the best contracts for their players. They can't afford to get their feelings hurt.
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Hey, tone it down. $500,000,000.00 organizations is too poor and dumb to comprehend this.
 
Durrrr said:
The Harden situation is a prime example of not knowing a players value because of his limited role.


I guaranasstee you they would have dealt Ibaka or gotten WAY more in return for Harden if they would have known he'd perform like he did last year in a larger role instead of sixth man.

Can you stop with this "intellectually bankrupt" blanket statements now ?

We don't know how they will perform and what their true value is.

I'm not saying either one is as good as Harden or close, my point is we don't know the value until they have a significant role and see what they do with it. We see potential. So we either take the risk and sign them for what we think it is or let them play and either its lower or they blow up.

I've heard people talk about how players prepare differently and perform different when they know their contribution will be significant and valuable.
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We know what their value is today and their extension offers from the Jazz will reflect that; for the Jazz to do otherwise is to risk repeating the AK mistake.

And don't underestimate the pressure on a player to ink his next contract ASAP. No player enjoys going into the final year of his contract unless he knows a big raise is coming. Favors was branded a "bust" by New Jersey and he hasn't shown anything since joining the Jazz to reverse that opinion from a Jersey fan. He has to be itching for some type confirmation that he deserved to worthy of top-3 pick and I think a $10-mill/year contract extension would do that. Hayward has shown he is a quality swing-man, but nothing that proves he is worth an 8-figure salary. Neither one of these players has shown that he will be a future all-star, so the risk of a Griff-type injury in their final year has to be weighed against the far-from-sure expections of a bigger contract if they excel this coming season.

Edit: For those of you too young to know, the "Golden Griff" went into the offseason without inking his new Jazz contract because he wanted a bigger contract than the Jazz were offering. He broke his foot in a summer pickup game and his hospital bills and 1-year of rehab was paid out of his own pocket. He never got the contract he wanted.
 
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I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but I think that Favors will probably be worth about 12 next year and Hayward about 9, but if we lock them up now we might get a few mill off that.

Again, I am pretty sure this hasn't been discussed here so I thought I would bring it up. I knew Frank would appreciate such an important contribution to this discussion.

12 and 9. Book it.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but I think that Favors will probably be worth about 12 next year and Hayward about 9, but if we lock them up now we might get a few mill off that.

Again, I am pretty sure this hasn't been discussed here so I thought I would bring it up. I knew Frank would appreciate such an important contribution to this discussion.

12 and 9. Book it.
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The intent of your posts has been hard to read ever since your return.
 
A bust in NJ

"Favors was branded a "bust" by New Jersey"

Not sure I agree. NJ was in "win now" mode (ergo willing to let raw talent go in exchange for DWill). Hard to know how he would have developed if placed in a key offensive role. This year should help to answer the question. I think this was exacerbated by his "deer in the headlights" look and "painfully shy" personality. No one wanted to rush him because he was so darn uncomfortable in his own skin and did not know if he belonged in the NBA. Biggest risk to the Jazz: does he develop a killer instinct? Will he get a chip on his shoulder and try to go destroy the opponent? What is his will to win? For me, fingers are crossed that he grows up this year..... But given Jazz history with AK and his (very different) neuroses, are the Jazz willing to risk $12MM at this time? My guess is no, they will be gun shy and would only extend now at under $10MM (i know I'm in the minority here with the consensus around $12M, but let's just see how it plays out. If he proves his swagger next season, then he lands $12MM after this year as the Jazz match.


https://dimemag.com/2010/11/nba-journeyman-may-turn-derrick-favors-into-hasheem-thabeet/
 
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