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Another Teardown: Atlanta Hawks

The Hawks were a 5th seed in the Eastern Conference in 2016/17 with 43 wins. It was the end of the Millsap/Korver era, after which the Hawks decided to blow things up. In 2017/18, the Hawks were projected to win 27 games, but finished last in the EC with 24 wins. They ended up with the 3rd pick in the draft and traded back with Dallas to swap Luka Doncic for Trae Young. Later in the first round, they drafted Kevin Huerter. The following season, the Hawks finished with 28 wins and traded with the Pelicans in the draft to move up from #8 to #4 for Deandre Hunter.

2017 Draft
John Collins (#19)

2018 Draft
Trae Young (#3)
Kevin Huerter (#19)

2019 Draft
Deandre Hunter (#4)
Cam Reddish (#10)

2020 Draft
Onyeka Okongwu (#6)
 
Jazz team last year without Rudy would have been a 35 win team max.
This team got rid of Bogey who was the best shooter and a guy who always made the right play.
Mitchell won a few games he also lost the Jazz just as many.
I have doubts that Hardy is ready to be a head coach. The loss of Snyder is interesting cause he was a superior regular season guy.
The depth of the NBA is also as good as its ever been this year.
The Jazz are going to have the worst record and it'll probably be one of the hardest jazz teams to watch in the last 30 years.

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We have no stars, no closer, mostly poor defenders, rebounders, and passers, and an incredibly young head coach that needs time to grow into the job. The schedule is brutal the first part of the season, and hopefully we will move a couple of the vets that help us win games by the trade deadline. I was skeptical for a while, but the more I think about it the more I think this is going to be a bottom 5 team, maybe even bottom 3.
 
Rubashov said:
I'm rapt i just paid 400 bucks for league pass....
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Ouch. Can you get your money back? LP is only $99 here in the U.S.

I technically live in the broadcast market so Jazz games are blacked out on league pass and my provider doesn't have the channel that broadcasts the games locally. Not going to lose any sleep over missing the games this season though.
 
KqWIN said:
Honestly, the more I look into things the more valid these concerns are. We aren't winning 37 games....but we're probably going to be closer to 30.
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That’s what I’m saying… those 5 wins do nothing for culture and they mean you have like a 50% worse chance at landing a star. It’s dumb to be stubborn and prideful instead of shamelessly losing a few extra games.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Another Teardown: Atlanta Hawks

The Hawks were a 5th seed in the Eastern Conference in 2016/17 with 43 wins. It was the end of the Millsap/Korver era, after which the Hawks decided to blow things up. In 2017/18, the Hawks were projected to win 27 games, but finished last in the EC with 24 wins. They ended up with the 3rd pick in the draft and traded back with Dallas to swap Luka Doncic for Trae Young. Later in the first round, they drafted Kevin Huerter. The following season, the Hawks finished with 28 wins and traded with the Pelicans in the draft to move up from #8 to #4 for Deandre Hunter.

2017 Draft
John Collins (#19)

2018 Draft
Trae Young (#3)
Kevin Huerter (#19)

2019 Draft
Deandre Hunter (#4)
Cam Reddish (#10)

2020 Draft
Onyeka Okongwu (#6)
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The Reddish miss really hurt them. The realized version of Reddish would have been perfect for them. Hawks actually had pretty good drafting and team building, but it's just hard to be great when you have a very flawed undersized star. Also hurt them that the East suddenly got loaded. They could have cleaned up in the East 5 years ago.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That’s what I’m saying… those 5 wins do nothing for culture and they mean you have like a 50% worse chance at landing a star. It’s dumb to be stubborn and prideful instead of shamelessly losing a few extra games.
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We are going to win 26 games. The schedule being tough early is going to crush our spirits (sadly, I would like to see the team actually be competitive in losses,but I don't think that's going to happen. It's going to be blowout city unless Markkannen is Findland Markkannen)

Our vets aren't even that good and we have incredible tanking lineup potential. We also have no top tier talent like other tanking teams who will just rip off huge games.
 
Jingled said:
We have no stars, no closer, mostly poor defenders, rebounders, and passers, and an incredibly young head coach that needs time to grow into the job. The schedule is brutal the first part of the season, and hopefully we will move a couple of the vets that help us win games by the trade deadline. I was skeptical for a while, but the more I think about it the more I think this is going to be a bottom 5 team, maybe even bottom 3.
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We all got excited/scared because of EuroBasket seeing Fontecchio and Markkanen dominate but the truth is our roster is *** and the NBA is at an all time high in terms of depth of talent across the league.
 
HeatCheck said:
Ouch. Can you get your money back? LP is only $99 here in the U.S.

I technically live in the broadcast market so Jazz games are blacked out on league pass and my provider doesn't have the channel that broadcasts the games locally. Not going to lose any sleep over missing the games this season though.
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Actually I was wrong just checked direct debit renewal was only like 150AUD which is pretty close to 100 usd
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That’s what I’m saying… those 5 wins do nothing for culture and they mean you have like a 50% worse chance at landing a star. It’s dumb to be stubborn and prideful instead of shamelessly losing a few extra games.
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What we’re missing is young players who will play 1300+ minutes that stink. There’s no Poku on this team, for example. We do have players that bad, but there are 2-3 guys ahead of them. The recipe to having a bad team is to have young players who are promising enough to get minutes, but young enough that you still won’t win.

HOU, for example, is probably going to be worse than us even though they have so much more young talent. That young talent isn’t at a stage where they can win games.

Even if the Jazz are limiting minutes for the Vets, there’s so many of them. Olynyk, Vando, Lauri, Beasley, Sexton, Clarkson, Conley are all getting 1k+ minutes. Some of them will probably play closer to 2k and most of them near 1.5k minutes. THT would be a great rank commander, but he’ll barely get on the floor.

It’s easier to do the bottom out thing when all your talent resides in SGA….You sit him, then the team is instantly horrible. But the Jazz have a deep team of mediocre players.

These are the teams that are in a better tanking situation IMO:

SAS
OKC
HOU
IND

The only other teams with <30 over/under wins are DET and ORL. I think we finish ahead of one and below the other. Both teams probably want to win more, but they have better tank commanders.

So whatever the win total is…I think we’re sitting at the 6th best lottery odds.
 
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