Ron Paul wins Iowa, Minnesota. . . . and Texas.

[babe]

Ron Paul has understood the system he is in. Four years ago, with a substantial number of delegates won in the trenches, the Republican Party wouldn't let them in at the convention that proclaimed McCain their choice. He knew the media would not give him the gift worth millions in advertising. . . . free publicity.

So he has done his battle on the ground, and continues to do better than the media will admit, or report.

The GOP is facing another top-down election with a "chosen" elitist at the top of the ticket who is pretty much poison to their future as a party, while a growing number of the grass roots are snowballing into a cohesive political movement that will revolutionize, that is, seize control of the GOP during the next presidential cycle, when whoever is in the President's chair is clearly not a real American. Well, defined as someone who believes in human rights, like the American Revolution was all about.

Here's a little "news" leaking through the curtain of silence:

https://www.policymic.com/articles/7394/ron-paul-won-iowa-and-minnesota-in-fact/related

Ron Paul will be taking a majority of the delegates from Minnesota, Iowa, Maine, Colorado, and Texas to Tampa, with a key committed supporter from Colorado taking a seat on the rules committee, and many other committed grass roots people taking influential positions within the Party.

Perhaps the most vile rumor the conservative/tea party supporters of Newt floated was the "news" that Romney and Paul have a positive relationship and have not actually been doing a lot of negative rhetoric against each other, at least in the form of personal attacks.

I am beginning to think Romney will decide he has to cover the middle himself, and choose Paul as his running mate to keep those dedicated Ron Paul supporters and a lot of Bible-belt conservatives on the team. He would also get a lot of young and democratic supporters who are focused on personal liberties and stopping the senseless foreign wars.

But would he still get the financial support from the banks, the MIC corporates, and other moderate closet "progressives".

 

[The Thriller]

I am beginning to think Romney will decide he has to cover the middle himself, and choose Paul as his running mate to keep those dedicated Ron Paul supporters and a lot of Bible-belt conservatives on the team.

Doubt that...

Romney will either go after someone like Christie or the Hispanic vote (Marco Rubio). My guess will be the Hispanic vote. Romney needs more than just old rich white people to vote for him.

 

[sirkickyass]

Ron Paul will be taking a majority of the delegates from Minnesota, Iowa, Maine, Colorado, and Texas to Tampa, with a key committed supporter from Colorado taking a seat on the rules committee, and many other committed grass roots people taking influential positions within the Party.

Why does this mean anything?

Unless you're asserting Romney won't win a first ballot convention vote I'm not sure where you're going with this.

 

[babe]

Why does this mean anything?

Unless you're asserting Romney won't win a first ballot convention vote I'm not sure where you're going with this.

It means some very dedicated people are working very hard for Ron Paul, and not giving up at all. It means Ron Paul supporters are getting effective within local party politics all over this country, and will continue their effort, and will continue to make gains within the party.

They are not going to quit until their votes are cast and counted at Tampa.

Romney has a lot of very strong negatives in most Republican minds, and most core Republican voters really don't want the RNC and Bush dynasty program.

Ron Paul folks in Texas are talking about the Harding event 92 years ago, and it makes a lot of sense to a whole lot of Republicans, particularly in the Bible belt.

The GOP party elite, as comprised by Bush power connections and other RINO insiders, are making a huge mistake, and probably just handing the election to Obama by essentially trying to run a Bush protege in pretty awesome contempt for what a lot of Americans want in their government.

Obama and his smarter people are all smiles now. Romney is vulnerable on so many important respects, and will get practically no enthusiasm from the very people who could get out the conservative vote. Running an imperceptibly different choice is just another way of offering people no choice.

Unless Romney has the guts, the smarts, and the influence to get a running mate who can mobilize the real Republican base, he's toast.

 

[Stoked]

It means some very dedicated people are working very hard for Ron Paul, and not giving up at all. It means Ron Paul supporters are getting effective within local party politics all over this country, and will continue their effort, and will continue to make gains within the party.

They are not going to quit until their votes are cast and counted at Tampa.

Romney has a lot of very strong negatives in most Republican minds, and most core Republican voters really don't want the RNC and Bush dynasty program.

Ron Paul folks in Texas are talking about the Harding event 92 years ago, and it makes a lot of sense to a whole lot of Republicans, particularly in the Bible belt.

The GOP party elite, as comprised by Bush power connections and other RINO insiders, are making a huge mistake, and probably just handing the election to Obama by essentially trying to run a Bush protege in pretty awesome contempt for what a lot of Americans want in their government.

Obama and his smarter people are all smiles now. Romney is vulnerable on so many important respects, and will get practically no enthusiasm from the very people who could get out the conservative vote. Running an imperceptibly different choice is just another way of offering people no choice.

Unless Romney has the guts, the smarts, and the influence to get a running mate who can mobilize the real Republican base, he's toast.

That right there rules out Paul. You do not have to like that but it is a fact. He energizes you, clearly, and that is fantastic. However he clearly does not "mobilize" the "republican base".

 

[Gameface]

That right there rules out Paul. You do not have to like that but it is a fact. He energizes you, clearly, and that is fantastic. However he clearly does not "mobilize" the "republican base".

Nope, you need to support closed borders, deporting and dehumanizing Hispanics, saving Christmas, and keeping gays from getting married to do that! Let freedom ring!

 

[Stoked]

Nope, you need to support closed borders, deporting and dehumanizing Hispanics, saving Christmas, and keeping gays from getting married to do that! Let freedom ring!

Sarcasm aside it is clear that while Paul does have a rabid following he does not have the republican base.

 

[Gameface]

Sarcasm aside it is clear that while Paul does have a rabid following he does not have the republican base.

Sarcasm aside, you're right.

 

[BluesRocker]

Would Ron Paul join up with Romney?

I don't think he would.

Keep up the good work babe. I support Ron Paul as well.

 

[franklin]

Why does this mean anything?

Unless you're asserting Romney won't win a first ballot convention vote I'm not sure where you're going with this.

It means the PaulBots support democracy so much that they're willing to game the system by securing delegate seats and voting Ron Paul against the vote of the constituency they represent. Vladimir Newtin is claiming the same ****. This is the extent these people are willing to go to get their precious government guarantee on the value of their accumulated wealth.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

Ron Jeremy has a better shot at getting elected than Ron Paul

 

[babe]

It's actually reassuring to me that there are different opinions on the subject. Maybe America isn't totally hopeless.

{edit/continuation}

So Newt is dropping out and preparing to endorse Romney. Texas governor Rick Perry has endorsed Romney. The whole flock of CFR candidates who have run interference on the Ron Paul campaign, creating various sorts of "true conservative" alternatives who have been hyped by the media as less "scary" than one honest man, are all on-board with Romney now.

Four years ago I was just heartsick at the Republican Party, the RINO Party in my view, the "closet progressive party" in other words, the tweedle dum to the tweedle dem. . . . when Ron Paul's delegates were excluded from the convention. I said "that outta do it for Paul's daliance with the GOP". But no, he hung in there, with thousands of dedicated grass roots trench diggers and a whole flock of idealistic kids who still want freedom and no more useless wars.

I might not have the power to define the "Republican Party" once and for all, not to preclude what people may do with it in the future. I went to it because Ron Paul was there. I'd really rather be a democrat, but people like Clinton and Jay Rockefeller who are just unabashed servile "elitist" tools, and all the outright "progressive" claptrap rhetoric just make me feel real dirty being there, too.

But believe them, there is a huge movement in America of people who don't want what we have now, realizing it is derailed democracy/representative governance. Who want their government back, and their rights, and the original American foreign policy of "commerce with all, alliance with none".

Will the real American Independence Party just show up already?

 

[TroutBum]

Ron Jeremy has a better shot at getting elected than Ron Paul

Better shot? He has one of the best shots I've ever seen. We're talking half way across the room, and could fill a king size Twinkie. The man's a legend, man.

 

[Stoked]

It's actually reassuring to me that there are different opinions on the subject. Maybe America isn't totally hopeless.

{edit/continuation}

So Newt is dropping out and preparing to endorse Romney. Texas governor Rick Perry has endorsed Romney. The whole flock of CFR candidates who have run interference on the Ron Paul campaign, creating various sorts of "true conservative" alternatives who have been hyped by the media as less "scary" than one honest man, are all on-board with Romney now.

Four years ago I was just heartsick at the Republican Party, the RINO Party in my view, the "closet progressive party" in other words, the tweedle dum to the tweedle dem. . . . when Ron Paul's delegates were excluded from the convention. I said "that outta do it for Paul's daliance with the GOP". But no, he hung in there, with thousands of dedicated grass roots trench diggers and a whole flock of idealistic kids who still want freedom and no more useless wars.

I might not have the power to define the "Republican Party" once and for all, not to preclude what people may do with it in the future. I went to it because Ron Paul was there. I'd really rather be a democrat, but people like Clinton and Jay Rockefeller who are just unabashed servile "elitist" tools, and all the outright "progressive" claptrap rhetoric just make me feel real dirty being there, too.

But believe them, there is a huge movement in America of people who don't want what we have now, realizing it is derailed democracy/representative governance. Who want their government back, and their rights, and the original American foreign policy of "commerce with all, alliance with none". Will the real American Independence Party just show up already?

That is extremely prevelant where I am at. I completely agree with you.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Paul v. Krugman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jEmKIRqz9AI

 

[babe]

Paul v. Krugman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jEmKIRqz9AI

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Duck Rodgers again.

I like contributions of substance.

Krugman is plenty smart, and one of Kicky's reference points.

But he's pumping up the derivative bubble, which will have to burst before we can ever have a resolution of the banks woes. Our five biggest banks, if I can remember the list precisely, include Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Chase/JP Morgan, Citibank, and Goldman-Sachs. These banks fairly well own and control the "Fed", and have their men running the show. When we had the bust in the easy Mortgage bubble, we did QEI under Bush, QE II and now QE III, and we also printed a lot of fiat currency and electronic "assets" in what we Utahn's busted "Bailout Bob" for, and Hatch helped. It was an arbitrary bailout of the "inside" bankers, while letting some other banks go under, with bigger fish banks rushing in to control the valuable assets. We gave banks a trillion dollars or more, and the MSM hyped it that now the banks could loan money to people wanting to refinance their mortgages or start businesses.

The big banks did not "spread the wealth", they sat on it. They tightened mortgage requirements and turned down almost everybody wanting to rebuild the economy. They took their stolen loot from the public treasury and doubled down on speculative gambling financial instruments called "derivatives". There are trillions of dollars of derivative "assets" that have been pumped up in value beyond what the underlying stocks, bonds, mortgages, or commodity values are now worth on the free market.

What Krugman wants to do is give the big bankers more trillions so they can forestall the inevitable collapse of the derivatives markets. What Ron Paul is saying is that we need to let the big banks fail for their bad judgment, let others pick up their assets for a fair market price, and stop making the retired folks on their pensions, savings, and retirement funds pay for the slick suits's stupidity.

Of course, I expect franklin to come in here with his point that ordinary real people who have some savings or accumulated wealth are just stingy for wanting it's value to be consistent, when with the simple roll of the printing presses we can spread it quickly into the banker's waiting paws. And what franklin doesn't see is that with the system we are running now, there is no chance anyone can work hard, be frugal, and live on their own means. The system we have simply guarantees that everyone is going to end up broke.

Only Ron Paul sees that we have to stop our corrupt and delusionary fantasy and just let people have a chance.

 

[babe]

Ron Paul also wins Nevada and Maine. . . .

Convention results from Nevada and Maine have given Ron Paul two more wins.

In Nevada, 22 of 25 delegates are Ron Paul bound. In Maine, after the old guard denied actually falsifying the vote tallies for the media's Romney hype campaign, the elected delegates have come down to being 24 Ron Paul supporters, with just 2 for Mitt, and two uncommitted. The Maine folks were so mad about being top=down gang raped by the Mitt establishment, and having their actual votes ignored and suppressed, they did a real Ron Paul Revolution, and now do in fact control the state's GOP machinery.

The media continues to understate the truth of Ron delegates, even while vaguely referring to many more states where Ron Paul is in serious contention.

He also has a mathematical shot at winning delegations from Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, Oregon and Vermont, which have yet to hold significant delegate-selecting conventions.

https://gma.yahoo.com/ron-pauls-not-secret-plot-gop-convention-194749745--abc-news-politics.html

At stake is the whole concept of democratic government where the actual votes of the people are supposed to count for something. At two different levels: on the actual votes of mere registered party members in elections, and on the actual votes of delegates those people send to the party conventions. It's the people vs. the legally private party organization. And the issue is whether there is a democratic process within the party that can actually impact the "elites" who have been running the party.

 

[babe]

Ron Paul Revolution succeeds in Massachussets

While according to GOP party rules, the Massachussets delegation will vote for Romney on the first ballot in Tampa, they are actually Paul supporters in majority, and these Paul supporters will be voting to revamp the GOP leadership, change the rules, and the party platform. . . . and for giving Paul actual recognition at the Tampa convention.

At Massachusetts’ state convention less than half of Romney’s 27 chosen delegates won tickets to Tampa. Paul supporters were chosen instead. While all of the state’s delegates are committed to vote for Romney, the delegates get to decide on the party chairman, platform, and VP nominee.

https://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/05/02/ron-pauls-stealth-delegate-strategy/

 

[Stoked]

Ron Paul is never going to win the nomination. Never going to happen. he knows that and I believe that is not even why he is running. I think he knows he never had a chance. I think he is running for all the things you are pointing to as proof that he has a chance to win. He is running so that changes are made at the basic ground level with how things are done and who is in power. Then the next level and the next and the next...he is running to change who holds power in the republican party. While he has no chance at the nomination I think he has a very real chance at make the changes he wants. That will also have a much deeper and long lasting effect.

 

[babe]

Ron Paul is never going to win the nomination. Never going to happen. he knows that and I believe that is not even why he is running. I think he knows he never had a chance. I think he is running for all the things you are pointing to as proof that he has a chance to win. He is running so that changes are made at the basic ground level with how things are done and who is in power. Then the next level and the next and the next...he is running to change who holds power in the republican party. While he has no chance at the nomination I think he has a very real chance at make the changes he wants. That will also have a much deeper and long lasting effect.

With our first amendment rights on the line, I'm not going to concede the point until the race is won. And I won't quit even then. If Romney or Obama win the Presidency, the message still needs to be asserted, and persuasively won. And that is what our form of government is supposed to be. . . . responsive to the people who are supposed to be running the government, and acting to protect their rights. People who get into office who fail to understand that just need to be removed from office, sooner than later. We have been asleep while our rights have been violated by our government. Now is the time we must speak up, and make our voices and our votes count in protecting our freedom and human dignity.