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I dont really see why he isnt starting over Cody. If he was getting the shots Cody was getting with the starters, the offense would be a lot more functional.

I guess you could say Cody's defense is best served against starting units, but at the same time it's obvious that we ain't trying to win. The FO obviously believes in Cody but it's hard to say that his position in the rotation and on the team is earned. I think Juzang and Sensabaugh would feast with Cody's shot diet, which is almost exclusively open shots. More realistically, defenses would start to pay attention to those guys and it would make life easier for Key and the other guards. I also thing Juzang/Sens move the ball much quicker. There's like a 1-2 second built in delay when Cody catches the ball.

I would at least like to see Hardy iterate through some different combos. Tanking was the right move, but we might be so bad that we're thrashing our development.
 
Kessler is the only one who's shown anything. Flip looks interesting and I think he has potential. I liked Hendricks last year, so we'll see how he looks this season.
No we won't

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Bummer. I haven't been following closely this season (only watched two games, and just looked at the box score for the others). But I really liked him last year.
He was the player I was most excited to see play and develop this year.
Big time bummer

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15 games in, how are we feeling about the guys?

1. Kessler - Most proven, established player. Already a starter level player, don't think he has potential be one of the best centers in the league but the certainty of him being a quality player makes him number 1 for me.

2. Key - He's really struggling and I think his role is far beyond his capabilities. Still, I think he will be a long term player in this league. Likely as a bench scorer/playmaker. Still carries a decent amount of potential but the likelihood of him realizing it seems to be fading.
3. Flip - Was a tough decision between he and Key as I believe both will be long term players in this league. I think his ability to shoot has started to catch up to him a bit, but long term I think he will find a way to be a contributor. Think he will be a nice third big type of guy with an outside chance of being a starter+.

These last three are somewhat interchangeable.

4. Cody - Purely based on predraft opinion of him, his play has easily been the most discouraging of all the guys. I still feel somewhat confident he will eventually develop into an NBA caliber player, though all the question marks and concerns I had of him are very apparent.
5. Sens - I still like him and think Hardy has been too harsh on him. He makes a ton of mistakes, but I think he can actually shoot. If he plays hard, continues to shoot well, and improves the mental side of thing he can play in this league.
6. Collier - I love his energy and hate to put him last because my opinion of him has improved. Think the turnovers and inability to score are huge roadblocks to him being an NBA player.
 
15 games in, how are we feeling about the guys?

1. Kessler - Most proven, established player. Already a starter level player, don't think he has potential be one of the best centers in the league but the certainty of him being a quality player makes him number 1 for me.

2. Key - He's really struggling and I think his role is far beyond his capabilities. Still, I think he will be a long term player in this league. Likely as a bench scorer/playmaker. Still carries a decent amount of potential but the likelihood of him realizing it seems to be fading.
3. Flip - Was a tough decision between he and Key as I believe both will be long term players in this league. I think his ability to shoot has started to catch up to him a bit, but long term I think he will find a way to be a contributor. Think he will be a nice third big type of guy with an outside chance of being a starter+.

These last three are somewhat interchangeable.

4. Cody - Purely based on predraft opinion of him, his play has easily been the most discouraging of all the guys. I still feel somewhat confident he will eventually develop into an NBA caliber player, though all the question marks and concerns I had of him are very apparent.
5. Sens - I still like him and think Hardy has been too harsh on him. He makes a ton of mistakes, but I think he can actually shoot. If he plays hard, continues to shoot well, and improves the mental side of thing he can play in this league.
6. Collier - I love his energy and hate to put him last because my opinion of him has improved. Think the turnovers and inability to score are huge roadblocks to him being an NBA player.
I dont think Key is struggling anymore. Last game was rough but once Hardy cut his role down he has been much better.

His November is trending to be the best calendar month of his career:
PPG 16.3 (2nd best month of career). Best last season was 16.4 (March)
APG is 5.1 (3rd best). Best last season was 5.4 (both November and February)
His TO is 2.1 (2nd best*). Last season his best was 1.6 (February)
His 3P% is 38.4 (2nd best). Last season he had a seriously hot shooting month in February (42.1%). However this month he is shooting more 3PA he has ever shot, so the 38.4 is encouraging.

* He did have just 4 TO in 4 games in October last year, but that was on super low usage and low minutes.
 
I dont think Key is struggling anymore. Last game was rough but once Hardy cut his role down he has been much better.
He plays very good when he is not forcing anything and shooting/driving to the basket only when there is some mismatch or the defensive breakdown. He can become an efficient 17-18 PPG, 5 APG guard... but I think he pictures himself as a main character. And I am really not sure that he can ever be a main character on a non-tanking team.
 
I dont think Key is struggling anymore. Last game was rough but once Hardy cut his role down he has been much better.

His November is trending to be the best calendar month of his career:
PPG 16.3 (2nd best month of career). Best last season was 16.4 (March)
APG is 5.1 (3rd best). Best last season was 5.4 (both November and February)
His TO is 2.1 (2nd best*). Last season his best was 1.6 (February)
His 3P% is 38.4 (2nd best). Last season he had a seriously hot shooting month in February (42.1%). However this month he is shooting more 3PA he has ever shot, so the 38.4 is encouraging.

* He did have just 4 TO in 4 games in October last year, but that was on super low usage and low minutes.

“Right now” was probably the wrong words by me, but I’m more speaking to the fact that he’s objectively been one of the worst in the NBA this year. I’m looking at his full body of work. He is shooting and playing better recently so I’ll give him credit for that.
 
“Right now” was probably the wrong words by me, but I’m more speaking to the fact that he’s objectively been one of the worst in the NBA this year. I’m looking at his full body of work. He is shooting and playing better recently so I’ll give him credit for that.
Yeah he shouldnt be playing 30mpg, and he is probably pretty high on the "worst ever 30 ppg guys" rankings. Not at the top, but at a disrespectable standing.

However I do think the PGOTF experiment is either over or on a break. Hardy has not put him out there to initiate as many plays per game recently, and Key gets to play his own game more. I think that has unlocked him a bit.
 
cody is looking worse and worse. they need to bench him, move him to G league, really develop his lower body as his legs look like twigs and rework his shooting mechanics. they have to speed up his outside shot. if the jazz do this they might be able to make him an NBA player.
 
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cody is looking worse and worse. they need to bench him, move him to G league, really develop his lower body as his legs look like twigs and rework his shooting mechanics. they have to speed up his outside shot. if the jazz do this they might be able to make him an NBA player.
The sad thing is how easy it looks for the defenders to guard him.
 
  1. Walker Kessler
  2. Keyonte George
  3. Kyle Filipowski
  4. Brice Sensabaugh
  5. Isaiah Collier
  6. Cody Williams
Walker still in the lead because he's the most impactful player with the best chance of realizing his potential.

Keyonte is #2. Looks very talented and like a good PG in the PNR, but man, his struggles on D and just general ball-handling are extremely worrisome.

Flip is 3 despite being out as of late.

Brice moves into 4 with his hot shooting. His defense is bad, but no awful awful. Just wish he was a better decision maker. One of the worst passers on the team.

Collier is 5th. He looks like he mostly sucks, but I see the potential on both ends.

Cody is last because he plays like a limp noodle and hasnt shown much upside.
 
1.Keyonte
2. Cody
3. Kessler
4. Hendricks
5. Collier
6. Flip
7. Brice

Good news, all of them look like they can be rotation level players. Bad news, only Keyonte has shown star level potential so far

1. Kessler
2. Keyonte
3. Hendricks
4. Cody
5. Flip
6. Collier
7. Brice
 
  1. Walker Kessler
  2. Keyonte George
  3. Kyle Filipowski
  4. Brice Sensabaugh
  5. Isaiah Collier
  6. Cody Williams
Walker still in the lead because he's the most impactful player with the best chance of realizing his potential.

Keyonte is #2. Looks very talented and like a good PG in the PNR, but man, his struggles on D and just general ball-handling are extremely worrisome.

Flip is 3 despite being out as of late.

Brice moves into 4 with his hot shooting. His defense is bad, but no awful awful. Just wish he was a better decision maker. One of the worst passers on the team.

Collier is 5th. He looks like he mostly sucks, but I see the potential on both ends.

Cody is last because he plays like a limp noodle and hasnt shown much upside.
I agree with your list with one exception. Elaborate on what you are liking with Keyonte. I am not seeing a "good PG" because of his ball handling (and decision making) and his shooting percentages continue to be as bad as they were in college. He has an occasional good game.
 
I agree with your list with one exception. Elaborate on what you are liking with Keyonte. I am not seeing a "good PG" because of his ball handling (and decision making) and his shooting percentages continue to be as bad as they were in college. He has an occasional good game.
He's looked great in the PNR to me.
 
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