Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

[RandyForRubio]

I don't have produce to fresh produce on a consistent basis either (because I live in fuhreaking Montana), wish Dala would crusade for me.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Cool, you used some big buzz words, but you failed to address anything, per usual.

Lol. More vague "you're wrong cuz you're wrong" statements that don't really point out what is factually incorrect with any of the statements that I made.

Explain what you're going to do about the loss of jobs that come with loss of choice.

More binary thinking.

And you and I both know the little jab about pro-choice was unnecessary and irrelevant. I'm pro-choice when it comes to jobs/business. When you consider something murder, it doesn't leave much room for choice.

Which goes to show why the whole concept of choice is incredibly more nuanced and complicated than youre making it out to be. Thank you for proving my point.

Now you probably haven't experienced this yet, but my father and I constantly have to deal with beaurecrats tell us how to run our business/manage our land. They even try to make laws to "help" us. Now unfortunately most of these people don't exactly know a lot about what they think they do, and just make things more difficult and more expensive, which makes it harder to make a profit, which makes it harder to pay employees well. You see, there's a bit of a trickle effect.

In other news, sky is blue. Of course the existence of cookie-cutter legislations across heterogenous landscapes and environments leads to inefficient bureaucracies. This is a discovery that would essentially surprise zero people with intellect. However, the persistence that there is some sort of "choice or no choice", or "bureaucracy or no bureaucracy" binary decision that people need to make is frankly stupid. These issues, like all issues, exist on a spectrum, and its up to us to determine how much regulation is necessary to allow individual agency while protecting the rights and capabilities of all citizens.

As for fresh produce, I too wish that we could all eat fresh produce. Some people grow gardens to help with that, btw.

Some people grow gardens!??! HALT the presses!! Howard has solved a national crisis! Let's just tell ppl in inner-city Chicago or Detroit or the Bronx or LA to grow gardens. Problem solved.

Even then, in certain places where the growing season only lasts 3 months, it's hard to get fresh produce for a decent price. Even I don't eat fresh produce year round. Anyways, our variety of choices leads to CHEAPER prices. Anyways, how do you expect to get enough fresh produce to the entire nation for a cheap price, when not that many states can grow produce year round, and one of the main states that does is having a water crisis? What is your solution Dala? Cut out the buzz words and actually try to get a logical point across, please and thank you. You're too smart to argue like this.

/dontsaybuzzwordsDala
//endshispostinaseriesofbuzzwordsandvaguesleightsthatdontaddresanyofthepointsthatImade

Crises can be solved with an emphasis of eating with season, and eating locally-produced fruits, vegetables, and legumes, along with subsidies shifted away from certain big-agra projects (like corn, etc.) to healthier produce. Look at that, two simple solutions. Unfortunately this doesn't address the existence of food deserts, where communities literally don't have grocers opening up in their communities, and have to rely on eating fast food and convenience store food on a daily basis. But you're right!! they should just grow some gardens on their windowsill!!

 

[RandyForRubio]

Well we've made progress, you've put in some ideas worth merit, but you still failed to answer how you would replace those jobs. Would be nice to hear a response on that.

Now then, I wasn't aware corn is now unhealthy. What else are we going to grow? Who's going to grow it? Who's going to pay for the different equipment required to plant and hsrvest these crops, or pay the extra people it takes to work them? How will we keep our land sustainable if we're pushing crops that can't grow there well? Speaking of seasonal eating, tell me more. What local, fresh produce can I eat when I live in a place where we have a 90 degree growing season? Last I checked, not many things grow well in below freezing weather that impacts most northern states.

Now we should have grocery stores in places where there aren't any. Do we need to legislate that though? And here's the other issue, most of those places are crime ridden. Are you willing to put up your own money to run a business in that type of environment? There are absolutely issues here, I don't disagree with that. I don't think that eliminating choices will have a positive economic impact though.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Anyways Dala, what I'm trying to get at is these ideas people want to implement have a lot of issues that make life more difficult for the majority of the people who deal with them. And this is just one industry. You think the rest are different? Like I said, people that don't understand how industries work are the ones trying to change them, and that's a big problem.

 

[moevillini]

...Some people grow gardens!??! HALT the presses!! Howard has solved a national crisis! Let's just tell ppl in inner-city Chicago or Detroit or the Bronx or LA to grow gardens. Problem solved....


Crises can be solved with an emphasis of eating with season, and eating locally-produced fruits, vegetables, and legumes, along with subsidies shifted away from certain big-agra projects (like corn, etc.) to healthier produce. Look at that, two simple solutions. Unfortunately this doesn't address the existence of food deserts, where communities literally don't have grocers opening up in their communities, and have to rely on eating fast food and convenience store food on a daily basis. But you're right!! they should just grow some gardens on their windowsill!!

as to the first point,there is actually a big urban farming movement in many large cities - - particularly in Detroit where there is ample vacant land to utilize in this fashion
https://www.miufi.org/
https://detroitagriculture.net/
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239844
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/detroit-urban-farming/


and many cities host Farmer's Markets during the summer/fall when growers in nearby rural areas come to sell their produce


and Detroit's Eastern Market is a well-known, long-standing institution that covers several city blocks and features fresh produce, products produced locally by small entrepreneurs and helps provide an infrastructure and assistance for networking and community involvement
https://www.easternmarket.com/

It's a step towards solving some of the problems faced by lower-income, urban residents - - many of them people of color.

 

[franklin]

smh.

ThEm PCes complaynng abt evrythng!!! LEev US ALONE

You do realize you're being lumped in with the extreme far leftists as well as the far rightists, right?


Sarah Palin
Dalamon
Elizabeth Warren
Howard
Bernie Sanders
ElRoach
Donald Trump

There is no discernible difference in the M.O. of these types other than focus on a utopic end game. Tactics are the same, tunnel vision thinking is the same, inability to see the forest for the trees is the same. SHAKE MY HEAD.

 

[franklin]

Is binary the word of the day on everyone else's calendar?

 

[BabyPeterzz]

as to the first point,there is actually a big urban farming movement in many large cities - - particularly in Detroit where there is ample vacant land to utilize in this fashion
https://www.miufi.org/
https://detroitagriculture.net/
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239844
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/detroit-urban-farming/


and many cities host Farmer's Markets during the summer/fall when growers in nearby rural areas come to sell their produce


and Detroit's Eastern Market is a well-known, long-standing institution that covers several city blocks and features fresh produce, products produced locally by small entrepreneurs and helps provide an infrastructure and assistance for networking and community involvement
https://www.easternmarket.com/

It's a step towards solving some of the problems faced by lower-income, urban residents - - many of them people of color.

CDFI Fund has lending programs targeted specially for food deserts. Co-op food pantries and groceries funded through these programs are starting to pop up in under served neighborhoods all over the country.


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[Deleted member 848]

as to the first point,there is actually a big urban farming movement in many large cities - - particularly in Detroit where there is ample vacant land to utilize in this fashion

But of course!! However, this only came to fruition after years of people telling the likes of Hantlers/Howard that access to fresh produce is actually ****ing important.

https://www.miufi.org/
https://detroitagriculture.net/
https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/239844
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/detroit-urban-farming/

and many cities host Farmer's Markets during the summer/fall when growers in nearby rural areas come to sell their produce

How accessible are said Farmer's Markets to lower income families? To what extent should the federal or state governments shift subsidies away from 'cash crops' towards crops that could have dramatically recuperating effects on the health of families throughout lower-level and mid-level socioeconomic strata?

and Detroit's Eastern Market is a well-known, long-standing institution that covers several city blocks and features fresh produce, products produced locally by small entrepreneurs and helps provide an infrastructure and assistance for networking and community involvement
https://www.easternmarket.com/

It's a step towards solving some of the problems faced by lower-income, urban residents - - many of them people of color.

For sure it's a step towards it-- it's certainly something that should be appreciated. However, America's work simply isn't anywhere close to being complete. There are still millions of malnourished Americans who simply cannot access the nutrition they need, which has ramifications in literally every other sphere of their living existence. Relying on urban-farming and non-subsidized farmers visiting farmers-markets in big city areas to address the epidemic of America's malnutrition is simply wishful-thinking, and will likely tow the American healthcare system further towards bankruptcy.

 

[Deleted member 848]

You do realize you're being lumped in with the extreme far leftists as well as the far rightists, right?


Sarah Palin
Dalamon
Elizabeth Warren
Howard
Bernie Sanders
ElRoach
Donald Trump

There is no discernible difference in the M.O. of these types other than focus on a utopic end game. Tactics are the same, tunnel vision thinking is the same, inability to see the forest for the trees is the same. SHAKE MY HEAD.

kül.

Anyways Dala, what I'm trying to get at is these ideas people want to implement have a lot of issues that make life more difficult for the majority of the people who deal with them. And this is just one industry. You think the rest are different? Like I said, people that don't understand how industries work are the ones trying to change them, and that's a big problem.

Talking in generalizations is also a big problem, which is precisely what you did here. To dismiss someone's critique of a system simply because "people who don't understand it tend to critique it" is the sort of thinking that rolls back a nation's progress a couple of centuries.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Well we've made progress, you've put in some ideas worth merit, but you still failed to answer how you would replace those jobs. Would be nice to hear a response on that.

Job-loss from what? The shifting of subsidies? That would simply cause them to grow different crops. I think the farmers will be fine.

Now then, I wasn't aware corn is now unhealthy.

Subsidized corn, and the products made from it are a massive culprit behind the current state of multiple American chronic health epidemics. This is simply factual.

What else are we going to grow? Who's going to grow it? Who's going to pay for the different equipment required to plant and hsrvest these crops, or pay the extra people it takes to work them?

A shifting of subsidies will help this. There are many examples throughout literally everywhere where this has gone down hitch-free. Big-Agra lobbying is a real ****ing thing though, so legislations involving subsidy shifting will simply never occur as long as financial interests dictate American legislations.

How will we keep our land sustainable if we're pushing crops that can't grow there well?

No one is proposing this.

Speaking of seasonal eating, tell me more. What local, fresh produce can I eat when I live in a place where we have a 90 degree growing season? Last I checked, not many things grow well in below freezing weather that impacts most northern states.

Lol. Bruh. I live in a more northern, more cold climate than you do, and it is beyond ****ing easy to grow an absolute array of different fruits and vegetables. Maybe not bananas and pineapples-- but we currently have cucumbers, apples, cherries, apricots, plums, cabbage, kale, squash, carrots, shallots, onions, spinach, potatoes (list continues) growing in our garden. We can pickle the excess, and eat it over the span of winter. Turn some of the fruits into preserves. This is what families have done for centuries. Many farms have the means to either store these crops over colder seasons or simply grow them in their greenhouses. Subsidizing these farmers will only bring the cost of this produce down.

Now we should have grocery stores in places where there aren't any. Do we need to legislate that though?

We should. Otherwise, there will be poor people without healthy food. This is something I find ethically troublesome, and revolting.

And here's the other issue, most of those places are crime ridden. Are you willing to put up your own money to run a business in that type of environment? There are absolutely issues here, I don't disagree with that. I don't think that eliminating choices will have a positive economic impact though.

No **** they're crime-ridden-- so what do we do? Just ****ing ignore it? Let those communities live off of taquitos from 7-11?

 

[franklin]

But of course!! However, this only came to fruition after years of people telling the likes of Hantlers/Howard that access to fresh produce is actually ****ing important.






How accessible are said Farmer's Markets to lower income families? To what extent should the federal or state governments shift subsidies away from 'cash crops' towards crops that could have dramatically recuperating effects on the health of families throughout lower-level and mid-level socioeconomic strata?





For sure it's a step towards it-- it's certainly something that should be appreciated. However, America's work simply isn't anywhere close to being complete. There are still millions of malnourished Americans who simply cannot access the nutrition they need, which has ramifications in literally every other sphere of their living existence. Relying on urban-farming and non-subsidized farmers visiting farmers-markets in big city areas to address the epidemic of America's malnutrition is mply wishful-thinking, and will likely tow the American healthcare system further towards bankruptcy.

From a historic perspective, it's comitragically amusing when radicals feast on their sympathizers. Pretty much a standard trait for the revolutionary types.

Not that I'm calling you a radical or anything Moe. Just that you seem to sympathize with the leftist causes and are now being called out in this fashion.