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So who would of you picked?

cyclo said:
Regardless, the Jazz have a horrible draft history -- one of the worst in the league -- as the history shows.
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Really, name me another team with better history at the average position the Jazz have drafted at.
 
I know I have been angry with the pick because it seemed very foolish at the time and still does to me. Do I see Hayward as a bench player who can contribute? Yes. I also see other guys taken in the draft behind him having better careers. This is tough to accept.
 
cyclo said:
There is no similarity between Luke Babbitt and Luke Jackson.

Babbitt is taller (6'9")
Babbitt is stronger (15 reps on bench press)
Babbitt has a much longer wingspan (6'11").
Babbitt is more athletic (37.5 inch vertical).
Babbitt is a better shooter (50% fg. 91% ft. 42% 3fg.)
Babbitt has more NBA offensive skills (post game, mid-range, long-range, 3-point, pull up jumper, off the dribble moves, better footwork, drives).

Gordon Hayward, on the other hand, is the same size as Luke Jackson (6'7"), plays exactly like Luke Jackson, has the same short wingspan (6'7"), similar athleticism and the same physical limitations that will be exposed at the NBA level, unfortunately for the Jazz.

Hayward is Luke Jackson.
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What are you talking about? Jackson had a 36" vertical, shot 49-86-44 and like Babbitt is a lefty-sharpshooter who struggles to defend on the perimeter and to create his own shot , because unlike Hayward he isn't effective putting the ball on the floor. Hayward will struggle to defend as well, but the idea that Babbitt was a much cleaner prospect is laughable.
 
cyclo said:
I think Paul George would have been the perfect player for the Jazz... or Babbitt.
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You guys keep bringing up a draft where we picked Snyder and Humphries, yet Like guys like George and Babbitt. Unreal. Both KHump and Snyder were good athletes, but Snyder had a sub pair shooting % from the floor, which was his biggest risk. George is also a Forward shooting 42% in College. This is atrocious. Both guys also faced inferior competition. KHump and Babbitt have nearly identical great numbers (only Khump did it when he was 2 years younger than Babbit) again garbage competition. Both great athletes and both did not come even close to taking their teams to next (ranked) level. So, when you say these guys would be perfect players for Jazz, think about Snyder/KHump draft. Didn't turn out perfect, did it?
 
cyclo said:
There is no similarity between Luke Babbitt and Luke Jackson.

Babbitt is taller (6'9")
Babbitt is stronger (15 reps on bench press)
Babbitt has a much longer wingspan (6'11").
Babbitt is more athletic (37.5 inch vertical).
Babbitt is a better shooter (50% fg. 91% ft. 42% 3fg.)
Babbitt has more NBA offensive skills (post game, mid-range, long-range, 3-point, pull up jumper, off the dribble moves, better footwork, drives).

Gordon Hayward, on the other hand, is the same size as Luke Jackson (6'7"), plays exactly like Luke Jackson, has the same short wingspan (6'7"), similar athleticism and the same physical limitations that will be exposed at the NBA level, unfortunately for the Jazz.

Hayward is Luke Jackson.
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This is as stupid as saying John Crotty was the same size as John Stockton, played exactly like Stockton, had the same wingspan as Stockton, similar athleticism and same physical limitations that were exposed at the NBA level....

Crotty was Stockton.
 
Zerol said:
So Kris Humphries was a better player than Al Jefferson? I mean they worked them both out so they must be right...
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Wrong.
Jefferson visited SLC for workouts, but he was injured at that time and couldn't do anything else except an interview. Things might have been different if he actually had worked out for the Jazz. I remember this because I was interested in him.

He just graduated from high school and never played a single basketball game at the college level! Also, the Jazz still had "fresh" memory of DeShawn Stevenson at that time. I think it was a safe call for the Jazz to draft Humphries instead of Jefferson at that time, even though it didn't work out well.
 
People who are comparing Gordon Hayward to anyone else in the NBA before he has played even a single minute of pro basketball are complete imbeciles. He may end up being a complete bust, he may not. Physical characteristics alone do not a player make. It might be cliche, but intangibles do mean something. Hayward may end up having mental toughness which does carry you far in this league. Give the guy some time to either sink or swim.
 
Aldrich is the only one I would have picked over Hayward. To me, it was Aldrich and then the other guys. They picked one of the other guys, but I like him and will see what he can do.
 
Predictably Irrational said:
Wrong.
Jefferson visited SLC for workouts, but he was injured at that time and couldn't do anything else except an interview. Things might have been different if he actually had worked out for the Jazz. I remember this because I was interested in him.

He just graduated from high school and never played a single basketball game at the college level! Also, the Jazz still had "fresh" memory of DeShawn Stevenson at that time. I think it was a safe call for the Jazz to draft Humphries instead of Jefferson at that time, even though it didn't work out well.
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I remember that time. I remember seeing video of both Jefferson and Humphries and thinking that Jefferson was significantly better. They were only a year's difference in experience. As I recall, Utah didn't work out Brewer, either, but still drafted him, so it's not like they had a rule set in stone to draft only players whom they worked out.
 
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