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Some eye-popping stats

This info makes me wonder about the case of the regular season being different than playoffs. I think there are plays that occur that I think are too forced and I wish jazz would “just run the offense”. But players have green light to push the limit in their stuff and I think it is prep for second season, the playoffs.
I think don and Jordan are both practicing their iso skills at times. And even bogey post ups (which generally kill me btw) is a tool for the playoffs. So this practice leads to lower percentages that another play could achieve.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I am looking through NBA tracking stats.

Looking at pick and roll ball handler it shows Bojan is our best (97th percentile) with Conley, Clarkson, and Ingles(all pretty close to 90th) not too far behind him. Although Bojan only gets about 1 a game. Mitchell(52nd) is our worst right by a fair amount.

For spot up plays Ingles and Mitchell are our best(95th percentile). Bojan, Niang, and Conley are next but much lower at about 70th percentile. Clarkson and Royce are down at 52nd. Funny stat is Gobert who gets .4 a game is one of the worst in the NBA and turns it over 25 percent of the time, haha.

None of our players are very good in isolation. I was surprised by this, I thought for sure Clarkson would be pretty good. He gets a lot of them but the points per possession is low and turnovers are high. Turnovers are really high for our whole team in these. Clarkson gets the most but his efg% is 36%.

In Catch and Shoot stats Ingles is the best but Conley, Mitchell, and Royce are all really good as well. Even Oni and Niang are pretty elite. Bojan and Clarkson are more average in this regard by their FG% but Bojan does get us the most points per game from these.

On Drives we get a lot of these and are pretty good. Mitchell has the most but Clarkson shoots the best on them. Bojan shoots the worst on drives on the team but gets the the FT line a lot higher than anyone else. Conley and Ingles get the most assists out of their drives.

Mitchell and Royce run the most while on the court. Clarkson and Niang run the fastest while on the court. Oddly Mitchell moves the slowest on average while on the court. I guess not surprising most of that is while on defense. But I think its partially effort and partially who he is usually guarding.

Mitchell gets the most touches followed by Conley. The odd one to me is that Royce is 3rd and by a decent amount. Clarkson gets the most points per touch by a long shot but that is no surprise.

I guess because of the system and to make the touches make more sense Royce has the most passes per game on our team. Mitchell receives the most passes. Conley and Mitchell get the most assists. Mitchell, Conley, and Ingles are all tied for hockey assists per game. Conley creates the most points from his assists. Conley and Mitchell are tied for most assists per pass. For the minutes played Gobert receives the lowest number of passes. I thought he would get more since he is getting them a lot at the top.

In transition Royce is involved the most. Clarkson is our best in transition he is a good scorer and shooting a good percentage. Gobert is the best ppp and shooting % but rarely involved, although his and 1 is crazy high at 8% of the time. Mitchell is pretty terrible, he turns it over a lot (16% of the time) and his shooting is bad (39%). But he gets to the line the most. Ingles turns it over a lot as well but better shooting %'s. Royce is also pretty good numbers as well.

Some of this shows me that we need to focus on what we are good at. Mitchell is better off ball where he is actually pretty elite and we need to run less iso plays.
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Interesting
In paragraph #2, what is a spot up?

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fishonjazz said:
Interesting
In paragraph #2, what is a spot up?

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I'll just post this definition it's better than my explanation:

"

Spot-up​

Spot-up possessions are similar to off-screen possessions, but there’s no screen being used before the player catches the ball. Players spotting up don’t need to be stationary, but they can’t be running off of screens before catching the ball. Players just standing in the corner before catching-and-shooting, or guys relocating to the 3-point line or fading to the corner and getting the ball on a kick out are all spotting up.

These possessions aren’t just catching and shoot. They can be catching-and-shooting, attacking a close-out by dribbling into a pull-up, dribbling into a floater, or driving to the rim are also included."
 
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The top 3 Net rating players in the NBA are Conley, Gobert, and Niang. When you filter out players that havent played 20 games this year and dont play at least 10 min a game. For the Jazz Ingles is next followed in order by Royce, Bojan, Clarkson, Mitchell.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The problem with donovan's iso is he is finishing at a career low at the rim. If he were where he should be his iso game would be something else entirely.

Great teams absolutely need that player who can hunker down and carry the team from time to time when things just seem to be out of sync. For us that is Donovan but he needs to be way better and more consistent at it.
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If Donovan was a better finisher he’d be averaging over 30 PPG.
 
White Chocolate said:
If Donovan was a better finisher he’d be averaging over 30 PPG.
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Easily. He easily loses 6-8 points per game with botched attempts at the rim, in fact they are shots he would have made in previous years, although his performance at the rim has been decreasing every year since his rookie year. I hope he figures this out. This part should be a prime focus for him, with his role on the team and his abilities. I really wonder what changed. His rookie year he was a wizard off the glass at the rim. Now more often than not I expect a clank off the rim. People will say it is focus of the defense but he has been the focus of the defense every year as it was obvious since the first half of his rookie year he was our best player, so I don't buy that. Plus plenty of elite players get focus from the opposing D and still are able to finish at the rim. Maybe Donovan just isn't as elite as we would like to think he is.

Question is, will he ever be?
 
Isn’t a lot of this the result of being primarily a two-footed jumper? Once defenders get your timing down, it’s easier for them to alter your shots, and two-footers have much fewer counters/alternatives that one-footers.

I’d like to see DM use the Nash dribble so much more than he does. The floor is spread. Use the Nash and either find an outlet or work to a spot for a short pull-up jumper.

I think he can develop this kind of feel, but it is pretty frustrating sometimes how far he still has to go in this facet.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Easily. He easily loses 6-8 points per game with botched attempts at the rim, in fact they are shots he would have made in previous years, although his performance at the rim has been decreasing every year since his rookie year. I hope he figures this out. This part should be a prime focus for him, with his role on the team and his abilities. I really wonder what changed. His rookie year he was a wizard off the glass at the rim. Now more often than not I expect a clank off the rim. People will say it is focus of the defense but he has been the focus of the defense every year as it was obvious since the first half of his rookie year he was our best player, so I don't buy that. Plus plenty of elite players get focus from the opposing D and still are able to finish at the rim. Maybe Donovan just isn't as elite as we would like to think he is.

Question is, will he ever be?
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I’m not sure he’s really fallen off on this. I think he was good his rookie year as teams started to figure us out.

This year he is down 4% at the rim but attempts are the same percentage of his shot attempts. I honestly have felt he got an unlucky roll a few times on shots that were basically down. The difference is really like 5 shots out of 100+ rimming out. It may go the other way the second half. I’m not super concerned. There are times when both guys come to him and Rudy gets an easy dunk as long as Don gets the ball on the rim/backboard.

I think my bigger issue is he should get to the line more for as much as he drives. He takes a lot of contact but really doesn’t try to draw fouls with the ******** flopping. He mostly just tries to score.

He’s also gotten better at the drop off pass to the big and the kick to the corner or top of the key. Overall I thinks he’s improved in several ways but still has some good low hanging fruit for improvement. On the calls stuff I’m not sure how he improves or if they decide he gets calls or what but outside of the first part of the year I’ve been really happy with what he’s given us.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I’m not sure he’s really fallen off on this. I think he was good his rookie year as teams started to figure us out.

This year he is down 4% at the rim but attempts are the same percentage of his shot attempts. I honestly have felt he got an unlucky roll a few times on shots that were basically down. The difference is really like 5 shots out of 100+ rimming out. It may go the other way the second half. I’m not super concerned. There are times when both guys come to him and Rudy gets an easy dunk as long as Don gets the ball on the rim/backboard.

I think my bigger issue is he should get to the line more for as much as he drives. He takes a lot of contact but really doesn’t try to draw fouls with the ******** flopping. He mostly just tries to score.

He’s also gotten better at the drop off pass to the big and the kick to the corner or top of the key. Overall I thinks he’s improved in several ways but still has some good low hanging fruit for improvement. On the calls stuff I’m not sure how he improves or if they decide he gets calls or what but outside of the first part of the year I’ve been really happy with what he’s given us.
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I largely agree with you on this. But that 5% makes a bigger difference than you think, not to mention the fact that it is substantially lower than his peers at the rim. He should really be approaching 68% where he is actually at 58% from 0-3 feet, and many of his peers, such as Jamal Murray, are at least in the high 60s, plenty above 70%, with Murray actually at 86.8%. Frankly it is just bad. It means he misses nearly half the time at the rim. That is a real problem for a player like Mitchell.

And now that his 3 pt shot isn't falling like it was earlier in the year, he is in a real shooting slump.

12-34 against a team like the sixers just won't cut it.

I am not saying he hasn't improved in other facets of the game, and frankly even with him dropping off a bit on this one stat he is still scoring at a career high with a career high 3 pt percentage, so that is great.

But if he is going to be the real go-to guy for us, who is tapped when it is time to just go get the bucket, some of this has to improve. Or we frankly don't have that guy at all.


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For the record here are his numbers at the rim (0-3 feet) for his career so far by year:

R - 0.638
2 - 0.619
3 - 0.626
4 - 0.583

5.5% drop off from rookie year to this year. That is enough to be noticeable and have an impact on his game.
 
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