Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

[Deleted member 848]

That wouldn't bother [most] gun owners one bit. In fact we would probably welcome it, especially if you made it part of gradeschool curriculum . The problem is you are putting up a straw man argument here. Gun safety is inherent in gun ownership. Think about it, Rev. Do you think parents like myself don't want our children to understand firearm safety? This is inherent to gun society. It's practically the first thing that comes out of a gun owner's mouth when teaching the young or those who they are not sure of knowing gun safety.

If I handed my gun to you I would chamber it, dry fire, and set the safety if that gun allowed with an empty chamber. If I handed my gun to Gameface I would chamber it, dry fire, and set the safety if that gun allowed for it. I don't know if you know how to handle guns. I do know Gameface is very knowledgeable about guns. I would treat you both the exact same, however, because gun safety is an inherent part of gun culture.

another inherent part of gun culture seems to be spiking rates of mass shootings, apparently.

 

[gandalfe]

I don't see a pretty chart created, but if you look up homicides per 100,000 people, America sits around 5. The highest other country on that list that I saw was like 1.6

Total deaths by intentional homicide rate for the US per 100,000 is 4.6, just about the middle of the pack, ranked 111th out of 218. Per the chart here

 

[fishonjazz]

Legit point.

We just need to take a look at the types of guns, and types weed we have out there. Do we really need thc candy,
and high potent keef that fries the mind? Where do we draw the line? Can we have rifles and hand guns, but leave out assault rifles? Can
we let citizens have uzis, and grenade launchers? How much does one need to protect themselves?

This is a good point.

Why isn't there a huge black market for hand grenades and rocket launchers in this county?

From what I hear, if you make something illegal then suddenly all the criminals have it and cartels push it into the usa.

I have not seen allot of news stories of people blowing **** up with rocket launchers and hand grenades. Why not?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Maybe you just haven't taken the time to process the info. It is so much info after all...

process the info needs to become a Jazzfanz-ism. Literally LOLd when I read that post.

 

[Harambe]

Compare small states like Utah to small countries of Europe. The problem isn't guns, or some America hating resentment that Dalamon and Cockroach promote ad nauseum (why does Dalamon even care what Americans do with their own lives? Liberal's need to control others).

It's cultural issues but liberals never want to address that because it wouldn't suit there agenda. That's why they are avoiding all rational discourse in this thread and push shock statistics instead. Shock journalism is the only thing liberals have going for them, but as always, rationality will win out the day as it has with gun rights.

This, too, proves FOXNEWS just sticks his head in the sand and believes only what he wants. Not once did I been not for doing other things to fix the issue; it's just easier for him to think whatever I'm doing/saying is the exact opposite of what he's doing and saying. Not once did I say take away all guns.

Get your **** together foxy.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think step one, in a nation where mostly unfettered access to firearms is the reality, is to have mandatory firearm education taught in schools. Focusing on the safe handling and storage of firearms, outlining state specific rules regarding the legal use of a firearm for self defense, making clear when the use of a firearm does not fall under self defense, and exposing students to the consequences of firearm violence.

I think every single person in the country agrees with this

 

[Jamezz]

Dala

#ProcessTheInfo
Join the club, you can do it.

 

[Gameface]

And how will that address mass shootings? Need I remind you of this trend? Seems like it:

Legalizing weed won't address this.

I think mass shootings is one of the smallest issues when it comes to gun violence. The huge spike shows just over 100 mass shooting deaths. While tragic, that's not the low hanging fruit that will lead to an overall decrease in gun violence.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I think every single person in the country agrees with this

it begs the question: should unfettered access to firearms be the reality? What are the tangible gains of a society with that many guns?

 

[Revolution 9]

That wouldn't bother [most] gun owners one bit. In fact we would probably welcome it, especially if you made it part of gradeschool curriculum . The problem is you are putting up a straw man argument here. Gun safety is inherent in gun ownership. Think about it, Rev. Do you think parents like myself don't want our children to understand firearm safety? This is inherent to gun society. It's practically the first thing that comes out of a gun owner's mouth when teaching the young or those who they are not sure of knowing gun safety.

If I handed my gun to you I would chamber it, dry fire, and set the safety if that gun allowed with an empty chamber. If I handed my gun to Gameface I would chamber it, dry fire, and set the safety if that gun allowed for it. I don't know if you know how to handle guns. I do know Gameface is very knowledgeable about guns. I would treat you both the exact same, however, because gun safety is an inherent part of gun culture.

"Do you think parents like myself don't want our children to understand firearm safety?" Do you honestly think I dont think that? Why on earth would that even enter your brain. I dont think everyone
is against my arguments. I think we are A LOT closer to compromise than we realize. Of course I think you want your children to understand firearm safety.

I think the training would be in part to catch, and help lift up the people that dont have the knowledge you have. This whole training idea only handles part of the problem. I think its geared at helping
the accidental gun deaths, and also the people protecting themselves in a gun fight.

I dont love guns. I dont want to have one in my house, but wouldnt be completely against it. I do want the gun owners out there to be better trained because they arent going away, nor do I want them to.

Is it ok to talk about where the draw the type of line in guns we sell? Thats all Im doing, and I think I'm being very fair in this debate. Its healthy to talk this out right?

 

[Gameface]

This is a good point.

Why isn't there a huge black market for hand grenades and rocket launchers in this county?

From what I hear, if you make something illegal then suddenly all the criminals have it and cartels push it into the usa.

I have not seen allot of news stories of people blowing **** up with rocket launchers and hand grenades. Why not?

Because those weapons are not practical. They do not accomplish what most gun wielders want to accomplish.

 

[Jamezz]

And how will that address mass shootings? Need I remind you of this trend? Seems like it:

Legalizing weed won't address this.

Also, some of those events are suspicious of being staged, and if not, exploited to feed the anti-gun agenda.

Columbine lol, the event that Fat ******* exploited like no other. I hope Michael Moore is not who you look up to when processing info.