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Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

I think mass shootings is one of the smallest issues when it comes to gun violence. The huge spike shows just over 100 mass shooting deaths. While tragic, that's not the low hanging fruit that will lead to an overall decrease in gun violence.

It scares people though. Mass shootings get a lot of publicity and get people worked up. I think they have a disproportionate effect on public psyche and perceptions, and I believe there might, therefore, be a disproportionate benefit to their reduction. Possibly.
 
The Disarming of the population would certainly lower the rate of gun violence. But you're disregarding a lot of what I've already said in this thread. I don't think it would be a solution to the high crime rate since it is not the cause of it. Like you said, Utah is a "gun state", but we have a low crime rate. I also agree that gang violence is a major issue. If we take gang-related murders into account, then the US murder rate is merely 2-3 times that of the rest of the developed world. But a case for gun control can be made. For one, it would allow communities that are plagued by gun violence (poor black for example) more of an opportunity to rebuild and improve. Right now, the ubiquity of guns make such places extremely dangerous for everyone, including the police.

I'm not disregarding anything you've said, you know me better than that. I disagree with your speculation that removing guns from crime-ridden areas will afford them an opportunity to rebuild and improve. That is an irrationally optimistic assumption that disregards the underlying problems plaguing poor neighborhoods.


Secondly, on a philosophical level, I do not think the mentality that guns serve as a guarantee against government intrusion is a healthy one to assume in a modern, democratic, liberal society.

But I am just trying to add to the debate, because there SHOULD be a debate. I don't know why people on both sides insist on making their pet issues sacred.

I agree with you fully, as I think most posters on this site have in the past. I don't think many are worried about the philosophical issue of tyranny in western culture. However, there are other philosophical issues regarding gun ownership that are completely ignored by the anti-gun crowd.

I would also agree that something must be done about the mass shootings in the USA. They are tragic and something will be done sooner or later. I believe the republicans will lead the charge here, as a) democrats are untrustworthy to gun owners and b) democrats will pressure republicans in power to do something on the issue or lose votes.

I also think something must be done about the gross negligence leading to vehicular deaths. Mass shootings are tragic. Vehicular homicide is tragic. Why do we focus so much on the one we cannot control while nonchalantly dealing with the one we easily could?
 
I think mass shootings is one of the smallest issues when it comes to gun violence. The huge spike shows just over 100 mass shooting deaths. While tragic, that's not the low hanging fruit that will lead to an overall decrease in gun violence.

Which means that mass shooting rates have tripled in less than 10 years. I'm not sure there is a single violent crime trend in all of North America that is more alarming. Who's to say it will stay at 100? Haven't you noticed the macabre positive-feedback loop that's occurring in America right now with these mass-shootings?

1) mass shooting news covered across America
2) prospective delinquents realize how much publicity these villains are receiving. Establishes a cult of personality for every murderer
3) prospective delinquent decides to be the next one with 15 minutes of fame.

Key to this recipe: unfettered access to firearms, as you said.
 
This is a good point.

Why isn't there a huge black market for hand grenades and rocket launchers in this county?

From what I hear, if you make something illegal then suddenly all the criminals have it and cartels push it into the usa.

I have not seen allot of news stories of people blowing **** up with rocket launchers and hand grenades. Why not?

Exactly. Guns are easier to make than grenade launchers, but still harder than growing weed. If you take away the capacity for someone to
quickly order an assault rifle on the internet it will prevent SOME deaths. Some people are determined, and will find the weapon they need no matter what.
However some will obviously change their mind(so many murders are heat of the moment mistakes that could have been different), or use
lesser impact weapons like hand guns/knifes. Id take someone coming into a movie theater/school/mall with a hand gun and knife any day over an assault rifle.

The pro gun argument of "they will just use a knife, should we ban all knifes" is retarded. We arent trying to prevent killing/the impossible. We are trying to lessen/deter it.
 
And comparing it the whole pack is irrelevant. Comparison should only be to developed countries.

Did I miss something there? It seems to me it's still data on America that can be compared to others, but can stand alone.
 
I'm not disregarding anything you've said, you know me better than that.


Right, even though you told him that he's probably an alt of mine. Which is pretty much as disregarding as you could possibly go.

I also think something must be done about the gross negligence leading to vehicular deaths. Mass shootings are tragic. Vehicular homicide is tragic. Why do we focus so much on the one we cannot control while nonchalantly dealing with the one we easily could?

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cute seeing you ignore my posts btw, stanklin.
 
Also, some of those events are suspicious of being staged, and if not, exploited to feed the anti-gun agenda.

Columbine lol, the event that Fat ******* exploited like no other. I hope Michael Moore is not who you look up to when processing info.

well, Jamezz about to get the Dutch treatment. You're not worth engaging. Ciao.
 
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