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Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

In contrast, I've recently moved to Washington state, where I can't legally own a couple of guns that were given to me by my father, without going through a bunch of red tape. Gun laws can vary by a wide margin from state to state.
 
Gameface said:
Go to a gun show and try to buy a gun through one of those loop holes and get back to me.

Not trying to be a jerk but that gun show loop hole is a myth.
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More than I had, so thank you. But wikipedia, and the sources listed at the bottom of this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Still cite this as a problem. Seven attempts to close the loop hole have failed, which leads one to believe it's still a problem, just not likely as much as I had anticipated.

Again, thank you for your contribution.
 
Siro said:
I don't disagree that gun aren't the cause of the problem, but I don't understand what your example is supposed to illustrate. Most European countries are vast (population wise) compared to Utah, and Europe as a whole has a lot more people than the US, and a lot less crime.

But for those interested:

https://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

Utah's rate is at 1.7 per 100k right now, which is on par with an above average European country.
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Utah also ha s a very percentage of single parent households!

19% snigle household parents.

go compare that to baltimore detroit or chicago
 
Stoked said:
If so be it is your response to a civil war then that brings into serious doubt your argument about saving lives. Makes it seem more about control.

Sure offer incentives to turn in guns. There are already many programs like that ran by local PDs.

As for penalties. There is no registration of all gun owners. They won't know who has them as the underground market for guns will explode. Trafficking firearms into America would be as big or bigger than narcotics is now. So now your 300+ million is 250+ million guns and a huge under ground market. Sure you decreased the number but I don't think that will be enough.

Confiscation is as much of an absurd non-starter as the GOPs idiotic "self deportation" for illegals.
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self deportation works a bit :P. here in the netherlands you get 28 days to self deport.
 
franklin said:
That's not exactly true. In fact, this type of polarizing all-issues-or-none mentality is why those of us in the middle of most issues have no where to vote.

There is a strong argument being made that gun crime in the US is largely a product of southern hick mentality. Basically, a bunch of billy bad asses with pride to protect.



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You've asked for answers to the inner city plight of mainly African Americans. If anyone here really wants to find the answers they will find the leading minds in this area have no clue how to solve the problem. The only sure fire answer is J-O-B-S. I've read a lot of cliche's thrown around in this thread including the family unit, education, etc. None of those work AT ALL without jobs.

Those blaming the break up of the AA family unit are as misguided as they come. AA's had a higher % of traditional family units than Caucasians before the widespread loss of manufacturing jobs in large city centers, and with an inability to follow these jobs to the more rural, cheap land areas. This isn't anything that can be correlated or sourced with a study of course, but the circumstantial evidence is as sound of an argument in support as it gets.

If America wants to put a dent in violence in the USA we need to declare targeted 'war' on Detroit, Chicago, etc. Make jobs. Provide protection. Make more jobs.
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I'm not sure I believe all of this, but I do believe the lack of jobs in large areas could be a large contributing factor. Getting the poorest and most "high risk"(whether that be southern hick billybob, or gangsta T'Andre, or Xavier; dungeon master of narnia, and everything in between) employed and involved in the community would be a huge step toward seeing less shootings and violence in general.

How, exactly, to do that I'm not really sure. But this was a very solid contribution. Thank you, Franklin.
 
Gameface said:
I think step one, in a nation where mostly unfettered access to firearms is the reality, is to have mandatory firearm education taught in schools. Focusing on the safe handling and storage of firearms, outlining state specific rules regarding the legal use of a firearm for self defense, making clear when the use of a firearm does not fall under self defense, and exposing students to the consequences of firearm violence.
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i would literrally lol if that was added.

chrsitians getting meltdown for sex en gender education about gay straight trans bi and all that "confusing stuff"
and liberals having a meltdown about gun ed. hahahahaha
 
tfivas said:
This makes you look stupid lol
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People are talking about banning guns, and you said that although pedophilia is banned, that hasn't solved anything. So the analogy means that pedophilia might as well be legal, just like guns, because making it illegal solves nothing. I know what you're trying to say of course, but I'm still making fun of you because you're incapable of expressing it coherently, yet you still feel the need to butt in.

And it is really adorable that you think YOU can make me look stupid. :)
 
Siro said:
People are talking about banning guns, and you said that although pedophilia is banned, that hasn't solved anything. So the analogy means that pedophilia might as well be legal, just like guns, because making it illegal solves nothing. I know what you're trying to say of course, but I'm still making fun of you because you're incapable of expressing it coherently, yet you still feel the need to butt in.

And it is really adorable that you think YOU can make me look stupid. :)
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Why the big emphasis on "YOU"? :)
 
DutchJazzer said:
why would i blame what a gay homosexual man does with another homosexual gay man. i dont care!
there are no studies yet corelating gay parents and gun violence.

there is a corelation between single parent homes and gun violence doe
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Please outline your entire 'platform.'
 
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