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Sorry Jazz fans – Ben is the NBA Rookie of the Year

Ron Mexico said:
Neither Simmons or Mitchell is getting goat talk, so that is a moot point. But yes I like to give you and other Simmons homers a hard time for being unreasonable. Such as thinking Simmons is in a GOAT conversation. Yes, I find it slightly annoying that you and utahjazzz post more about Simmons than about the Jazz who is your supposed favorite team, but I know a lot of it is just trolling. But mostly I like talking about him and showing his flaws that he has a bunch of because you guys loose your minds about it and freak out. So yes, some of it is trolling from me but I guess some of you cant take your own medicine.

I definitely have biases, every sports fan does. I like certain players more than others. I like the Jazz more than other teams and 76ers more than any East team. That makes me watch those teams and scrutinize players more and cheer for them more when I like them.

You are the one who thinks you dont have any bias for some strange reason.

There is no stat from game 1 that shows Simmons was the best player on the court. His teammates played at a very high level. Reddick and Belinilli were incredible and Saric was very good that game. +/-, PER, net rating and so on all show that Simmons had a low impact that game in comparison to his teammates and it was very obvious watching it. But I guess you already admitted that I could be right on this or at least its a reasonable conclusion so I guess we can move on.

I don't hate Simmon's. But between his quotes, his on court elbows and shoulders and more importantly homer fans like you he is hard to cheer for. Thankfully I really enjoy Embiid and his personality and think 76ers coach is great and has a great system. Brown has done wonders for Simmons as well stat wise and have a great team around him. I want him to help the team win though. I feel similar with Simmons that I used to feel with Boozer when he was on my favorite team the Jazz.

You are right it was in the other thread I talked about his defense, my bad. I get all these threads you Simmons homers like to talk about him in. Simmons is a good defender but he was subpar in that first game. He stood around flat footed and lost his guy a few times and got beat off the dribble more than usual. Again for your clarification he was still good but subpar for his usual defense.

He was much better game 2 all around except the final couple minutes when he was useless.
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Interesting stuff. I was being facetious with the GOAT thing, but Simmons is being talked up as the next big thing all the time. And although Mitchell gets a lot of attention, he is not talked about in the same capacity. That would be annoying to Jazz fans in general... I get that.

Hey, what is your Philly affiliation. Did you mention liking AI?

I feel like I have generally been restrained in responding to your back and forth with Utahjazz. Honestly, I am not a troll. Just a fan from another country. So I am a bit further removed from other US Jazz fans.

Utahjazz literally likes trolling you guys for whatever reason.

I am indeed biased, but am expressing views I hold (whether they are wrong is clearly possible), not views desiged to irrirate you and others. And I am aware that talking about someone like Simmons is extremely awkward on a Jazz forum given so many factors. Not least of which is the 'rivalry' between him and Mitchell. Maybe that means that defending Simmons does count as trolling, cause such is 'unnatural' and unusual on a rival's fansite. Especially given my Aussie bias etc....

I totally get the angst toward posters like me who have an allegiance seemingly to Aussies first and Jazz second. It's not altogether wrong.

I do post about Jazz related things a lot. I think it's only these last few weeks that this became an issue re: ROTY.
 
Watching Philly last night and in certain scenarios they use bens lack of a jumper to their advantage... running a shooter of a DHO left Marco and JJ wide open because Bens guy was so far off... made me want to go get Ellington, Korver, or JJ this offseason as shooting off Goberts HOs would have the same effect... maybe even using Ricky as the screener.

Any other gettable guys that kill it running off screens?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Watching Philly last night and in certain scenarios they use bens lack of a jumper to their advantage... running a shooter of a DHO left Marco and JJ wide open because Bens guy was so far off... made me want to go get Ellington, Korver, or JJ this offseason as shooting off Goberts HOs would have the same effect... maybe even using Ricky as the screener.

Any other gettable guys that kill it running off screens?
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Serious? Gober t doesn't have the handles and can't take people off the dribble do not would never work. Bball 101 man. Go back to the jv court
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Watching Philly last night and in certain scenarios they use bens lack of a jumper to their advantage... running a shooter of a DHO left Marco and JJ wide open because Bens guy was so far off... made me want to go get Ellington, Korver, or JJ this offseason as shooting off Goberts HOs would have the same effect... maybe even using Ricky as the screener.

Any other gettable guys that kill it running off screens?
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Answering my own question... Joe Harris and Pat Connaughton are both good off screens... Joe Ingles too, but not sure he gets his shot off quick enough. Otto Porter is fantastic at it, but not many attempts. Anywell... back to work.
 
Knowledgeofmine said:
Serious? Gober t doesn't have the handles and can't take people off the dribble do not would never work. Bball 101 man. Go back to the jv court
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Dood u serious? It's not the threat of the drive. It's Gobert gets the ball at the top of the key... like he always does and you run a knock down shooter (think JJ reddick off the ball screen) and if Gobert's guy doesn't play up then the shooter gets an open look. Prevents the big from just camping in the paint.
 
Knowledgeofmine said:
Serious? Gober t doesn't have the handles and can't take people off the dribble do not would never work. Bball 101 man. Go back to the jv court
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Watch Philly play... the space they gave up to Ben became space that JJ and Marco got when he set the screen... we could do the same thing with Gobert... doesn't have to be a DHO, just a ball screen. If the shooter can also pass it will open up the Gobert roll to the rim.
 
Et tu Brute said:
Interesting stuff. I was being facetious with the GOAT thing, but Simmons is being talked up as the next big thing all the time. And although Mitchell gets a lot of attention, he is not talked about in the same capacity. That would be annoying to Jazz fans in general... I get that.
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I dont think any Jazz fans care about that. Mitchell gets a ton of positive attention around the league. He has the respect of most players in the league and outside of Philly/Simmons fans the respect of fans.

I think it is the other way around. Simmons fans cant handle Mitchell's attention and feel a need to belittle him to prop up their guy. Most Jazz fans can admit Simmons is really good and see where there is an argument for ROY of the year with him. Simmons/76ers fans are incapable of doing the same the other way. To me its entertaining, you Simmons fans get very worked up about everything positive said about Mitchell and any body commenting on the many flaws of Simmons game.

Hey, what is your Philly affiliation. Did you mention liking AI?
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I was a huge Allen Iverson fan when he was with Philly. This has made me like them and keep an eye on them ever since. Embiid has made me enjoy watching them again.

Utahjazz literally likes trolling you guys for whatever reason.
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He is just like most other 76ers and/or Simmons fan. I enjoy giving him a hard time because he makes himself look really dumb over and over again. Interactions with him irritate some people on this board but they make me laugh. Although I dont really understand the people who are irritated by him and dont just put him on ignore.

I totally get the angst toward posters like me who have an allegiance seemingly to Aussies first and Jazz second. It's not altogether wrong.
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We are very used to this happening and know that most of you will be gone when the players leave. We have had it with Russian fans, Turkey fans and so on over the years. Some of the good ones will stick around. We have some great posters from Turkey still despite Okur and Kanter being gone. It also happens with college team fans when we draft their guy. Its just a part of sports. But it is fun to give them a hard time when they are irrational. Such as people on this board who think Exum is being mistreated by Snyder or held back by him.


So here are my questions for you.

Who is your ROY vote?

Who had a better game 1 performance in the playoffs Mitchell or Simmons?
 
So after leaning to Simmons based on numbers... I finally watched him for a full game last night. LOL at him being ROY. DM has such a more well rounded game especially on the offensive side. Simmons is just a faster, slimmer Blake Griffin, bleh..

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reignman40 said:
So after leaning to Simmons based on numbers... I finally watched him for a full game last night. LOL at him being ROY. DM has such a more well rounded game especially on the offensive side. Simmons is just a faster, slimmer Blake Griffin, bleh..

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Terrible post. Simmons is incredible. You only need an iota of basketball knowledge to see that Simmons is an amazing player.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Terrible post. Simmons is incredible. You only need an iota of basketball knowledge to see that Simmons is an amazing player.
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I agree he's a great player but if the cocky bastard ever expects to reach his vision of himself as the next Lebron James (or just the next unique generational talent) he's gonna have to get a jump shot. He is going to get exposed by the better teams, especially in the playoffs. He does not have the skillset to take over at the end of games. He's a great piece to a championship team but you can't throw him the ball when the defense clamps down and have him go to work. James, Durant, Curry, all the greats, etc etc can all do that. Even our boy Mitchell has shown flashes that he can do that in his rookie year despite not even being on the God Simmons radar.

TLDR; Great player, but his game clearly has a huge gaping hole.
 
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