Julie Greengiant
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You're wrong. This isn't a case of separation of church and state. That pertains to the First Amendment.
Like I said I really could care less about this "story". I guess I should have started my own thread to bitch about basically having to convert to the LDS religion in order to be a scout/boy scout in this state, only being able to have 2 drinks per hour with your dinner whether you are driving or not, not being able to get some of my favorite microbrews in this state because of its liquor laws, and taking away one of my favorite clean activities because of the poisonous alcohol that is served in the upstairs of concert venues that you have to be 21 and have a wristband to get access to. Look, I made a huge sacrifice to move back to this state so I can't think that poorly of it, but the LDS religion definitely overreaches its boundaries at time when it comes to politics.
Keep popping those legal painkillers though, Utah.
Keep popping those legal painkillers though, Utah.
Religion has no obligation to stay out of politics. It's the government that has a responsibility to stay out of religion. That said, of course people's beliefs affect their political views, so in that way without any direct effort at all the LDS church has an enormous amount of influence on the political decisions made in this state. The stake president took things a step further and from his official position in the church he advocated to his fellow church members specific political views. If the LDS church is cool with that then it is what it is. No wrong was done. But as far as I know the LDS church claims it stays out of these political issues, only advocating for certain moral issues that enter the political sphere. So, this issue is entirely within the LDS church. If they support those actions or not then that's their right.
This.
Officially, the church discourages politicking from the pulpit. That a stake president would do that is in bad form, and would certainly reflect negatively on him in my eyes. But, sadly, there are plenty of members who don't bother to do their own thinking, so a certain conservative culture has just become accepted, and nobody thinks twice when political jabs or rants are unleashed in a "worship" setting.
Archie Moses
Well-Known Member
I personally know a bishop who threw a right hook and knocked out a speaker during sacrement because the speaker wouldn't stop talking about politics in church.
Winning
Winning
mote, beam, mote, beam, mote, beam, mote, beam.... who's to tell. Tough call, glad I don't have to make it.
I sure missed all the Church backseat moderating that goes on here. See, even I can see other people's mote Clearly around my own beam.
Oh well, better get hacking on my beam again.
I sure missed all the Church backseat moderating that goes on here. See, even I can see other people's mote Clearly around my own beam.
Oh well, better get hacking on my beam again.
GVC
Well-Known Member
If I were still Mormon, I'd be none too pleased with the dude, but I'm not, so...
When I was at BYU, one of the counselors in my stake presidency gave a talk, using old/outdated quotes from past church presidents, about the evils of birth control in all its forms (not at all in line with the Church Handbook of Instructions at the time). A lot of people were pissed, and ultimately every ward in the stake got an apology in sacrament meeting from a member of the stake presidency (although not all, if any(?), from the offending counselor). Was fun.
Bishops and Stake Presidents are regular ol' flawed humans, just like the rest of us. The can certainly offer guidance and counsel, but they can also be as retarded as the rest of us. I'm an active, participating mormon, and I don't believe any church leaders are above question. Not even the prophet. Not questioning is an unhealthy habit to develop. If the leaders are right, then the questions don't hurt anyone.
He should lose his position yesterday.
Yumm, I like mine medium rare.
Rare is the only way to go.