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Starting 2? Miles or Bell?

Who should start at the 2? Miles or Bell?

  • Miles

    Votes: 44 48.9%

  • Bell

    Votes: 46 51.1%
  • Total voters
    90
gregbroncs said:
Yes and it's the ONLY THREAD you have posted in. Just like the other board. Bryant wanted Bell because he hates playing against him. Show me a quote where any other Laker said they wanted him including their "great coach".

The Lakers can't say anything about Miles because he's under contract with another team and Bell wasn't. So you have no clue if they want him or not. Your just making **** up to fit your self delusions again.

So Miles hater and no idea about anything basketball related have you decided to tell us how Miles spurned you yet?
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How has Miles Spurned me?

Through dumb, typical hopper luck he's looked good a couple of times, making you think he's the messiah of the wing position. This makes you post more and ruins my interwebz.

So, Thank you CJ Miles for ruining the interwebz. You and Prince musta got together on that one a few years back, but you've successfully ruined it for anyone that even resembles someone with a higher than 82 iq, by allowing Gregboncs to post. Thanks CJ... Thanks so much for that.
 
ElRoach0 said:
How has Miles Spurned me?

Through dumb, typical hopper luck he's looked good a couple of times, making you think he's the messiah of the wing position. This makes you post more and ruins my interwebz.

So, Thank you CJ Miles for ruining the interwebz. You and Prince musta got together on that one a few years back, but you've successfully ruined it for anyone that even resembles someone with a higher than 82 iq, by allowing Gregboncs to post. Thanks CJ... Thanks so much for that.
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Shows how smart you are. I was not even talking to you. So though you say my IQ is lower than 82 how low did you just say yours was? Or are you saying you are Brainslut? In that case it makes a lot of sense. You both seem to be about as smart as one another and both Miles haters that refuse to see he has become a pretty good player.

Also I have never said he is more than a decent player at the wings that takes too much **** from haters like you and Brainslut.
 
It really blows me away that so many fans think Miles should start at SG. Or that Sloan would even pick Miles over Bell.

Man to Man defender: Bell>Miles
Outside Shooter: Bell>Miles
Shooting off screens: Bell>Miles
Taking charges: Bell>Miles

These are the things that Sloan likes in his SG's. I really don't get how this is so close. Miles is longer and has more athleticism but how often do our SG's really get to take advantage of that?

Its a no brainer. Bell is a way better SG for the Jazz than Miles. He shoots a way better percentage. He also takes his shots within the offense. His lateral quickness is way better than Miles also.
 
Twin Towers said:
It really blows me away that so many fans think Miles should start at SG. Or that Sloan would even pick Miles over Bell.

Man to Man defender: Bell>Miles
Outside Shooter: Bell>Miles
Shooting off screens: Bell>Miles
Taking charges: Bell>Miles

These are the things that Sloan likes in his SG's. I really don't get how this is so close. Miles is longer and has more athleticism but how often do our SG's really get to take advantage of that?

Its a no brainer. Bell is a way better SG for the Jazz than Miles. He shoots a way better percentage. He also takes his shots within the offense. His lateral quickness is way better than Miles also.
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Thank you, I couldn't have said it any better.

My bet is all the voting for Miles are from the young'ens that didn't really see Bell play much.
 
Twin Towers said:
It really blows me away that so many fans think Miles should start at SG. Or that Sloan would even pick Miles over Bell.

Man to Man defender: Bell>Miles
Outside Shooter: Bell>Miles
Shooting off screens: Bell>Miles
Taking charges: Bell>Miles

These are the things that Sloan likes in his SG's. I really don't get how this is so close. Miles is longer and has more athleticism but how often do our SG's really get to take advantage of that?

Its a no brainer. Bell is a way better SG for the Jazz than Miles. He shoots a way better percentage. He also takes his shots within the offense. His lateral quickness is way better than Miles also.
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While all of these are decent points. How do you expect Bell and his 34 year old body to hold up through a grueling season and into the playoffs getting big minutes? While I would rather have Bell available at the end of games instead of the beginning if he's playing well. Starting Miles leaves Bell with more available minutes late in games as needed. Starting Bell seriously limits the # of minutes he will be available late in halves and games.

I don't buy that Bell can play more than 24 MPG and stay healthy at his age and injury history.
 
gregbroncs said:
While all of these are decent points. How do you expect Bell and his 34 year old body to hold up through a grueling season and into the playoffs getting big minutes? While I would rather have Bell available at the end of games instead of the beginning if he's playing well. Starting Miles leaves Bell with more available minutes late in games as needed. Starting Bell seriously limits the # of minutes he will be available late in halves and games.

I don't buy that Bell can play more than 24 MPG and stay healthy at his age and injury history.
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Bell started his NBA career really late. He didn't start until he was around 25 or 26. Bruce Bowen was considered an Elite defender from the age of 34-36. Bowen's career started way late also just like Raja's. And Raja doesn't have an injury history. He has stayed pretty healthy his whole career.
Last year was his first big injury and it was on his wrist. Not even his shooting wrist (unlike Korver). And Bell also healed very quickly and he was ready right after the all-star break. Warriors did not want to play him but they did not want to release him because he would go to a contender. Not playing last year actually will extend his career. It won't shorten it. Injuries that shorten players careers are leg injuries. His non shooting wrist injury won't be a problem. And he doesn't have anything else that we should worry about (nothing in his history).

And when a player starts a game that doesn't mean he can't finish the game. Bell can start the game and still play a lot of the 4th quarter. He can play less in the 2nd and 3rd. Bell can easily play 30 minutes a game. He was playing 37 minutes a game and still being very effective 2 years ago.

And I am not a Miles Hater either. I have been pulling for Miles for years because I knew he just needed CONSISTENT playing time. And he finally got it once Brewer left and got better because of it. Miles will be even better for us this coming year.

A defensive stopper is what we need more than anything in that starting lineup. And Miles can't guard those elite shooting guards. The SF's I think he can. But not the quick guards.
 
I agree Twin Towers. Good summary. Can't think of one category where Miles is better than Bell. I wonder how Bell and AK compare though. AK is a good defender and fills the lanes. AK is a better shot blocker, passer and better on inside offense. But I would give Bell the edge on outside defense and shooting.
 
rainhut said:
I agree Twin Towers. Good summary. Can't think of one category where Miles is better than Bell. I wonder how Bell and AK compare though. AK is a good defender and fills the lanes. AK is a better shot blocker, passer and better on inside offense. But I would give Bell the edge on outside defense and shooting.
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Exactly that is why AK & Bell will complement each other well on offense and defense. Bell is better at shooting and on ball defense. AK is better at off ball defense and slashing.

Miles shot 45% coming off the bench and 40% while starting.
https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=2778

AK shot 53% starting and 44% off the bench
https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=434

It is a no brainer for Miles to come off the bench especially after looking at these split stats. And its a no brainer that Bell is better than Miles at shooting and man to man defense. Miles will be great off the bench because he can play both position. AK and Bell can really only play 1 position consistently.
 
One of the strengths of our roster is it's versatility. CJ was switched to SF due to issues on D at SG. SF's the position he played as he improved his game last season. Given his youth (just turned 23) and still fragile psyche, it would be a bit risky to move him back to SG. Yes, he does seem to play better starting, but then so does AK. Coming off the bench doesn't seem to bother AK as much. He also played a fair amount of PF.
To get really radical, her's what I'd do (except against the Lakers):
PG Williams/Price
SG Bell/Miles/Hayward (w/o Bell, D here won't be pretty)
SF Miles/Kirilenko/Hayward (Miles sits, AK goes to SF, Millsap in)
PF Kirilenko/Millsap/Jefferson (When AK sits, Hayward comes in at SF)
C Jefferson/Okur/Fes
 
Twin Towers said:
Exactly that is why AK & Bell will complement each other well on offense and defense. Bell is better at shooting and on ball defense. AK is better at off ball defense and slashing.

Miles shot 45% coming off the bench and 40% while starting.
https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=2778

AK shot 53% starting and 44% off the bench
https://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=434

It is a no brainer for Miles to come off the bench especially after looking at these split stats. And its a no brainer that Bell is better than Miles at shooting and man to man defense. Miles will be great off the bench because he can play both position. AK and Bell can really only play 1 position consistently.
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Nice stats, TT! Interesting; the thing we don't know is what position were AK (SF or PF) and CJ (SF or SG) playing when starting vs coming off the bench? Also, I think AK has the added task of passing more with the 2nd unit when Ronnie Price is in the game. Not looking to shoot as much, plus he loves to cut to the basket, but w/o DWill, who's gonna get him the ball for those easy dunks/layups?
 
NotDeadYet said:
Nice stats, TT! Interesting; the thing we don't know is what position were AK (SF or PF) and CJ (SF or SG) playing when starting vs coming off the bench? Also, I think AK has the added task of passing more with the 2nd unit when Ronnie Price is in the game. Not looking to shoot as much, plus he loves to cut to the basket, but w/o DWill, who's gonna get him the ball for those easy dunks/layups?
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I really really wish Sloan would use AK at the PG spot on offense when Price was in the game. Its like Sloan doesn't remember what AK did against the Warriors in the playoffs. But Sloan never uses AK like he should. AK likes to pass more than he likes to score in my opinion.

With constant ball movement AK can get those easy dunks and layups just like he did when we had Carlos Arroyo in the 2003-2004 year. Sloan needs to watch tape on AK and realize what made him special.
 
As always, TT, there is truth in what you say! Jerry's downfall has always been in not easily adapting his system to the skills of his personnel. AK is much more about being a playmaker (cutting or passing) than about shooting. He really struggles to keep his dribble when pressured by shorter, quicker guys, though, so I'd want another good dribbler/playmaker paired with AK. I am eager to see him and Hayward together, as I understand Hayward is also a good passer and playmaker.
 
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