Steve Kerr's Passionate Personal Stand on Gun Control

[babe]

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Yes, of course. And you are right, I think. I'm not sure of Trump myself, but I recognize that he speaks to a lot of concerned Americans with little real education, who feel their government is out of touch.

The latest polls give a five or four point spread. . . with the Green Party costing Hillary the one percent. I bet the Libertarian Party takes about three percent from Trump. . . including Colton and Stoked, who knows maybe even you. I like the Libertarian Party.

So if Trump wins, he'll have to mind his manners to get anything done. A lot of Republicans could side with the Democrats in the Senate and House.

If Hillary wins, I fear she'll take it for a "Mandate" to do a lot of radical stuff, like go get the guns and massive waves of immigrants we will just crumble trying to feed, care for, educate. ... and wages will go down for everyone to third world levels. Well, she'll declare a $15 minimum wage, and every real job will have hundreds of applicants, and employers will pick the crème. The rest will go on "self-employment" or "contractor" menial labor. Look for packing houses, hotels, ag workers literally at one anothers' throats over a petty job. I imagine some Republicans will vote with her on a lot of deals, not really all that good for us.

So, I'm saying we all gotta get down to the basics in our lives, and prepare for some hard times. This is not going to be good, whichever way it goes.

My vote for Trump is to send a signal to the "Establishment", but who knows, I could be wrong. Trump could be the super "Establishment" Pres of all time. Who knows.

Hillary was given a sort of pass by the FBI today, concluding their investigation. They said "Nothing Criminal, just a lot of irresponsible and stupid". In my mind, they are being "irresponsible and stupid", but even so, it's a worse indictment to call her "irresponsible and stupid". Criminal, we can live with. irresponsible we can't.

 

[Stoked]

Yes, of course. And you are right, I think. I'm not sure of Trump myself, but I recognize that he speaks to a lot of concerned Americans with little real education, who feel their government is out of touch.

The latest polls give a five or four point spread. . . with the Green Party costing Hillary the one percent. I bet the Libertarian Party takes about three percent from Trump. . . including Colton and Stoked, who knows maybe even you. I like the Libertarian Party.

So if Trump wins, he'll have to mind his manners to get anything done. A lot of Republicans could side with the Democrats in the Senate and House.

If Hillary wins, I fear she'll take it for a "Mandate" to do a lot of radical stuff, like go get the guns and massive waves of immigrants we will just crumble trying to feed, care for, educate. ... and wages will go down for everyone to third world levels. Well, she'll declare a $15 minimum wage, and every real job will have hundreds of applicants, and employers will pick the crème. The rest will go on "self-employment" or "contractor" menial labor. Look for packing houses, hotels, ag workers literally at one anothers' throats over a petty job. I imagine some Republicans will vote with her on a lot of deals, not really all that good for us.

So, I'm saying we all gotta get down to the basics in our lives, and prepare for some hard times. This is not going to be good, whichever way it goes.

My vote for Trump is to send a signal to the "Establishment", but who knows, I could be wrong. Trump could be the super "Establishment" Pres of all time. Who knows.

Hillary was given a sort of pass by the FBI today, concluding their investigation. They said "Nothing Criminal, just a lot of irresponsible and stupid". In my mind, they are being "irresponsible and stupid", but even so, it's a worse indictment to call her "irresponsible and stupid". Criminal, we can live with. irresponsible we can't.

All polls that include Stein and Johnson are costing Clinton and Trump about 4-5 points each.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

@OneLove

The American Revolution started when a bunch of very orderly, compliant, government soldiers followed their orders to go seize some guns and gunpowder. This happened in the context of authoritarian Brit overlords denying colonial citizens their British rights under the Magna Carta, heaping insult upon insult to prove their absolute, arbitrary power over the colonies.

This is much like the real world we face under global ideals of unified authority under UN and regional governance, with bureaucracies that are not in any meaningful way responsive to the citizenry. That's why the Brexit vote got up enough concerned Brits to say "whoa".

British Commonwealth citizens have yielded much to the oligarchs, so much the Magna Carta is pretty much going by the wayside under "new and improved governance", which is a lie. Hillary is an example of why progressive ideals are delusional. . . you get too many lawless people working the levers of power they become untouchable, arrogant, and tyrannical. The wrong class of people rise to the top when the governance is beyond reach from the people.

If ordinary people have the firepower to take back their government under an extreme to that extent, the "Hillaries" of the world just won't risk their own necks.

dreams of a better world just crumble to nothing when the wrong people seize the power.

Lexington and Concord was the first battle of the war, but let's not go so far to make the mistake that it was the spark that ignited the war. The war would have occurred regardless.

Although a bit off topic, the war was won by the US only after Washington forged an effective, organized regular army. A militia did not and would not have won the war. The symbol of public spirited minute men standing up against the power of the government to defeat it is a myth. Yet, the paranoid low IQ militia types today continue to believe that they are the bulwarks protecting society against the power of the government, just like they did back in 1776.

 

[MVP]

And regular Joes do just fine here.

Not true. They, or their kids get hurt or killed by guns thousand times more frequently then elsewhere.

 

[babe]

Lexington and Concord was the first battle of the war, but let's not go so far to make the mistake that it was the spark that ignited the war. The war would have occurred regardless.

Although a bit off topic, the war was won by the US only after Washington forged an effective, organized regular army. A militia did not and would not have won the war. The symbol of public spirited minute men standing up against the power of the government to defeat it is a myth. Yet, the paranoid low IQ militia types today continue to believe that they are the bulwarks protecting society against the power of the government, just like they did back in 1776.

without quibbling about the importance of the facts you mention here, it's just the wrong idea to minimize the necessity of common support for Washington. His American boys were part-timers trying to keep the work on their home/family needs up, and their support varied hugely with the fortunes of war, victories sometimes unexpected and unexplainable with attribution to "God", or huge military mistakes by the British.

It is further improbable that the revolution would have been won without the French alliance, and maybe even the Russians, and a Prussian military genius who took the trouble to train the American troops.

I agree that no effective power resides in ignorant yahoos without good leadership, and the moral righteousness of high principles that prevent soldiers from committing atrocities that would destroy popular support.

Having a meaningful democracy with peoples votes as the chief determinant is the best way forward anytime.

 

[Stoked]

Not true. They, or their kids get hurt or killed by guns thousand times more frequently then elsewhere.

Are you a regular Joe here?

 

[babe]

All polls that include Stein and Johnson are costing Clinton and Trump about 4-5 points each.

my poll info is second-hand. I believe you could easily be right about this. If Trump doesn't stop with the extremely exploitable "news acts", and if Hillary gets any more bizarre herself, you might get 155, MAYBE SOME ELECTORAL COLLEGE LEVERAGE.

hard to see that leverage going for Hillary, though. Trump's the man with that deal.

Trumps thinking is more Libertarian than Republican, more regular American than Democrat. Without solid Media support, Hillary will fail. And, speaking of that, I got hung up on my CNN news feed this morning. Boy were they being hard on Hillary.

I think that means there will be a dump Hillary move on the Dem side.

For most of America's history, the citizen guns have been on the side of Law and Order, in support of the government. Even in the Civil War, most of the firepower went with one government or the other, and the wild guns of Missouri were clearly just "outlaw".

An American administration that is minimally "progressive", utilizing the time-honored principle of gradualism, would not trigger those guns. It would take an unbalanced "progressive" impatient with "progress", like Obama, to bring that issue into play at all. It would take an outright foreign invasion for citizen guns to come into the picture generally.

 

[MVP]

Are you a regular Joe here?

Obviously not. The father who killed his son by accident was. 5 year old who killed his 2 year old sister was. Mother shot by toddler in Walmart in Idaho was. Dude who was checking his kevlar west and was shot by girlfriend was. There is thousands of regular Joes shot every year in USA, lets not kid anybody here.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Steve Kerr wants gun control yet he has more firepower than any team in the NBA.

 

[RandyForRubio]

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

Obama orders this study done, and then goes and spouts off stupid **** about how it's easier for a teenager to get a glock than a book or fresh veggies. It would be nice if we had politicians that actually argued with intelligence instead of stupid rhetoric.