Stockpiling 2nds and time to spend

[stitches]

Ever heard of trading up?
Jazz won't use all those picks; they're assets. To some teams, an early 2nd round pick is better than a late first due to the non-guaranteed contract. Some picks will be trading chips, some will be used on players, some may get pushed back to later years. Will some be wasted? Yes, just like most 2nd-rounders, finding a gem is rare. NO team hits on every pick. But the more darts you have, the better chance to hit a bulls-eye.

Point is, the Jazz were going to have LucasIII languish on the bench. Murphy wasn't very likely to make the team, and Thomas was going to be used sparingly.

Thomas: 8 games/8 minutes per. Is Booker better? Yes, considerably.
Murphy: 24 games/3 minutes per. Is Novak better? Yes. Murphy was absolutely horrible in SL.
JLIII: just about any player in the league is better as a 3rd PG.

IINM, Thomas and Murphy were waiver pickups - they cost the Jazz nothing. Utah brought them in for a test drive, but have now flipped them for the 33rd pick last season PLUS another pick PLUS cash.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the trade itself - it makes perfect sense, I have nothing against acquiring assets and I know perfectly well assets can be used in all kinds of different ways. My main point is I think the time of asset accumulation should be near its end and we should be looking to cash in some of them in the near future.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the trade itself - it makes perfect sense, I have nothing against acquiring assets and I know perfectly well assets can be used in all kinds of different ways. My main point is I think the time of asset accumulation should be near its end and we should be looking to cash in some of them in the near future.

Yes, we are in agreement on that one.
I think DL has set up a pipeline knowing that players will be lost and hard decisions will need to be made. For example, Kanter might have a decent season, but since Favors is already signed and Gobert looks like a franchise 5, Enes might be the odd man out. And the same MIGHT be true of Burks if he shows good, but not great potential. ALready have Hayward in the fold and Hood looks like an absolute STEAL at #23. Rodney may force himself into the lineup at SF, shifting Gordon back to SG.

At some point, Utah may own half the players in Europe (with SA owning the rights to the others). Jazz will bring them over as needed, just like SA has done.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

let's trade Lindsey for a worthless second round pick. we just dumped three players for one and another worthless second when we need to fill out our roster. wait Hayward and booker just eat up all of our cap room that we have been bragging about.

 

[franklin]

This is the master plan to acquire Jason Kidd.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

The fact that people are semi-criticizing the trade and saying the picks have no value are being ridiculous. The guys we traded had literally zero value to us and even if Felix stinks, we just got a 2nd round pick and a million bucks for them. Depending on where they fall, many of these seconds could be packaged to move up for a very high 2nd or even into the late 1st from a team who doesn't want a guaranteed contract.

This was a very good trade.

 

[Stifle Tower]

let's trade Lindsey for a worthless second round pick. we just dumped three players for one and another worthless second when we need to fill out our roster. wait Hayward and booker just eat up all of our cap room that we have been bragging about.

Felix was the 33rd pick (fringe 1st) and is considered a "3 and D" prospect. He was injured for most of last season.
Booker is a productive sub: good rebounder, decent mid-range game.

Yes, I agree. Dump Lindsey because Thomas, JLIII and Murphy should have gotten us Durant, or at the very least, Westbrook. I mean, we are trading THREE players for one.

 

[kabenac]

This trade is awesome. I don't know why anyone would be against it. We traded our most worthless player, a late-season bench signing and Thomas (showed a bit of potential) for a great defender, $1,000,000 and a 2nd round pick. The $1,000,000 covers the salary for Felix and we get a 2nd round pick.

How is this a bad trade?

 

[Stifle Tower]

This trade is awesome. I don't know why anyone would be against it. We traded our most worthless player, a late-season bench signing and Thomas (showed a bit of potential) for a great defender, $1,000,000 and a 2nd round pick. The $1,000,000 covers the salary for Felix and we get a 2nd round pick.

How is this a bad trade?

Some just think trades aren't good unless they're one-sided, or bring in big-name players.
Hard to fault Lindsey for most of his move thus far. I don't really like the Hayward match, but I understand why he did it.
The Stokes trade? Very minor. Kicking the can down the road a couple of years. Probably wasn't a Euro they liked at that point.

Gobert and Hood are absolute STEALS where they were drafted.
Neto might be a good backup PG at some point.
DL apparently made a fair offer for the #1 pick, but didn't budge when Cleveland allegedly wanted too much.

Utah has a GM who knows what he's doing.

 

[kabenac]

Some just think trades aren't good unless they're one-sided, or bring in big-name players.

I think 90% of Jazzfanz.com members are happy. The remaining 10% will be happy when they see Felix on defense. Guys like Bruce Bowen and Matt Barnes were under-appreciated when they came in the league until their defense became known. I can't wait to see Felix play. I don't expect a lot offensively but that's not why he's in this league.

Plus we got a 2nd round pick and enough money to pay for Felix. And we traded crap (Thomas has some potential but we have more of a need at SG, bench-wise and defensively). And as another member stated we now have a spot for Mouton (pick-and-roll specialist - could help our PGs in certain situations) - didn't need Murphy because Novak is here.

 

[♪alt13]

Some just think trades aren't good unless they're one-sided, or bring in big-name players.
Hard to fault Lindsey for most of his move thus far. I don't really like the Hayward match, but I understand why he did it.
The Stokes trade? Very minor. Kicking the can down the road a couple of years. Probably wasn't a Euro they liked at that point.

Gobert and Hood are absolute STEALS where they were drafted.
Neto might be a good backup PG at some point.
DL apparently made a fair offer for the #1 pick, but didn't budge when Cleveland allegedly wanted too much.

Utah has a GM who knows what he's doing.

This trade was one sided. We (I believe) had no intention of signing those guys anyway. If we did they surely would not have played unless we were down by 30 in the 4th(even then maybe not).

DL got a 2nd and a million bucks for scrubs he was going to cut. How much more one sided can it get?

 

[Stifle Tower]

This trade was one sided. We (I believe) had no intention of signing those guys anyway. If we did they surely would not have played unless we were down by 30 in the 4th(even then maybe not).

DL got a 2nd and a million bucks for scrubs he was going to cut. How much more one sided can it get?

But we gave up THREE players and just got back one. Cleveland should have given us Wiggins for that $1M salary dump.

Signed,
Every irrational fan in this thread.

And BTW, I agree completely. It's amazing how everyone WANTED to get rid of JLIII and most were completely underwhelmed by Murphy in SL. Thomas had a decent showing, but was he going to get minute over Hood at the 3 or Booker at the 4? Why NOT take a chance on Felix? Could turn out to be a very good "3 and D" guy. If not, no big deal, he takes up a cheap roster spot for two years (or can be traded or bought out).

 

[jjscap]

I believe the Jazz might find the next Euro star ala Tony Parker or Ginobili with one of these picks.
They say the Jazz have a lot of scouts around the world. In Turkey too? Turkey would be a great place to look! We have a lot of young prospects up and coming, so-called "The Golden Generation". Kenan Sipahi 95, Furkan Korkmaz 97, Okben Ulubay 96, Metecan Birsen 95, Egemen Guven 96, Ayberk Olmaz 96

 

[gregbroncs]

let's trade Lindsey for a worthless second round pick. we just dumped three players for one and another worthless second when we need to fill out our roster. wait Hayward and booker just eat up all of our cap room that we have been bragging about.

Since when did we need to fill our roster? We didn't have any spots to fill. Also we traded 3 players who were not going to make the team for 1 who probably will and a future pick.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Philadelphia had a bunch of picks this year. They made some moves here and there, but essentially had the opportunity to get K. J. McDaniels, Jeremi Grant and Russ Smith on non guaranteed contracts - plus a couple of draft and stash type guys. Draft as best you can, bring them to summer league. If they work out, great. If not, you try to package them into deals and pick up another asset to use down the line.

This is exactly why I'd have kept Stokes. If he looks good, keep him or trade him for a better asset (not a worse one down the line) or just cut him and save yourself the roster spot and money.

 

[One Brow]

So in the next 4 years we have possibly 5 first round selections and 10 second round picks. I don't know if teams would be willing to give up much if they knew that those picks are not of much value to us as picks.

Hoarding a limited asset increases the value of the asset to those who do not possess it.

 

[Game6Conley]

Give me Nikola Milutinov, Moussa Diagne, Andzejs Pasecniks, Wang Zhelin or Mam Jaiteh and Jerian Grant, Dwayne Polee Jr or Michael Qualls with the 2 2nd rounders next year. (though Polee and Qualls are a bit redundant if Felix sticks around)

With the 4 in 2016 ill take Rysheed Jordan, Rasheed Sulaimon, Alex Poythress and Tacko Fall.

 

[Stoked]

Mission Accomplished indeed.

 

[JoelHodgeJr]

Jeff Hornasec was a second round pick as well.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Right now we have the following future picks:

2015: Jazz' 1st and 2nd
2016: Jazz' 1st, Jazz' 2nd, Warriors' 2nd, Boston or Toronto's 2nd
2017: Jazz' 1st, Warriors' 1st, Jazz' 2nd, Warriors' 2nd, Knicks' 2nd
2018: Jazz' 1st, Jazz 2nd, Knicks' 2nd

+ the one acquired in this current trade (I still don't know for what year it is. Possibly 2015).

So in the next 4 years we have possibly 5 first round selections and 10 second round picks.

Watching the Cavs and Wolves dance around a deal for Kevin Love, I'm secretly hoping that the Jazz will try to get into the mix as well. Everyone seems focused on trying to acquire Love out of that deal, but there's no way he re-signs with Utah and I'm wondering if an opportunity might not be opening up to get Andrew Wiggins instead.

Minnesota has been ambivalent about trading Love at all, but there's going to come a point that a deal will happen. He wants out and he's going to get it. The Timberwolves seem to want Klay Thompson, but I don't think Golden State adds him to the package and the Wolves have reportedly been willing to settle for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a 1st round pick. They also reportedly want to get rid of the contracts for Kevin Martin and J. J. Berea as well, clearing out more than $24 million in guaranteed money.

It may not gain any traction, but if I were DL, I'd offer to kick in Enes Kanter, Trey Burke and a bunch of future draft picks to get Wiggins out of the deal. I'd also take on Kevin Martin and then look to talk another team into taking Barea in exchange for some of those 2nd round picks. . .

Minnesota gets - Anthony Bennett, Enes Kanter, Trey Burke, Cleveland's future 1st round pick, multiple 1st round picks from Utah (including likely at least one unprotected pick) and the cash and cap space from getting rid of Martin and Berea.

Cleveland gets - Kevin Love.

Utah gets Andrew Wiggins and Kevin Martin, plus they still have a bunch of draft picks left over for filling out the bench down the road.

I'm not sure if it's enough to get Minnesota to bite, but I'd certainly put the idea out there. Of all the young Core players, Kanter and Burke seem likely to be the odd ones out. I'm actually a pretty big fan of both guys, but I'd gladly ship them out (plus picks) for Wiggins. Minnesota might not go for it, but they also might not be as high on Wiggins as pundits and fans are. If presented with another possibility that meets two needs (veteran players with potential and quality draft picks to rebuild with) there might be a chance that they could go for it. Won't know if they don't try though. It's costly, and a lot more than I'd like to pay, but it might be exactly the opening that the Jazz have been compiling those assets for.

Starting lineup of Gobert, Favors, Wiggins, Hayward and Exum. Helluva defensive lineup, but not sure how they fit on offense. I'd make the deal expecting Wiggins and Exum to develop into your #1 and #2 options with Hayward, Favors, Burks, Martin and Hood providing support. Even with Booker, Novak and Evans, the Jazz would be a little bit light at the 4 spot and completely weak after Exum at PG, but maybe they'd bring Neto and Tomic over for depth purposes.

Jazz would instantly become media darlings if they could parlay the tank into Wiggins and Exum, even if it costs them an arm and a leg to pull it off.

 

[fishonjazz]

Watching the Cavs and Wolves dance around a deal for Kevin Love, I'm secretly hoping that the Jazz will try to get into the mix as well. Everyone seems focused on trying to acquire Love out of that deal, but there's no way he re-signs with Utah and I'm wondering if an opportunity might not be opening up to get Andrew Wiggins instead.

Minnesota has been ambivalent about trading Love at all, but there's going to come a point that a deal will happen. He wants out and he's going to get it. The Timberwolves seem to want Klay Thompson, but I don't think Golden State adds him to the package and the Wolves have reportedly been willing to settle for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and a 1st round pick. They also reportedly want to get rid of the contracts for Kevin Martin and J. J. Berea as well, clearing out more than $24 million in guaranteed money.

It may not gain any traction, but if I were DL, I'd offer to kick in Enes Kanter, Trey Burke and a bunch of future draft picks to get Wiggins out of the deal. I'd also take on Kevin Martin and then look to talk another team into taking Barea in exchange for some of those 2nd round picks. . .

Minnesota gets - Anthony Bennett, Enes Kanter, Trey Burke, Cleveland's future 1st round pick, multiple 1st round picks from Utah (including likely at least one unprotected pick) and the cash and cap space from getting rid of Martin and Berea.

Cleveland gets - Kevin Love.

Utah gets Andrew Wiggins and Kevin Martin, plus they still have a bunch of draft picks left over for filling out the bench down the road.

I'm not sure if it's enough to get Minnesota to bite, but I'd certainly put the idea out there. Of all the young Core players, Kanter and Burke seem likely to be the odd ones out. I'm actually a pretty big fan of both guys, but I'd gladly ship them out (plus picks) for Wiggins. Minnesota might not go for it, but they also might not be as high on Wiggins as pundits and fans are. If presented with another possibility that meets two needs (veteran players with potential and quality draft picks to rebuild with) there might be a chance that they could go for it. Won't know if they don't try though. It's costly, and a lot more than I'd like to pay, but it might be exactly the opening that the Jazz have been compiling those assets for.

Starting lineup of Gobert, Favors, Wiggins, Hayward and Exum. Helluva defensive lineup, but not sure how they fit on offense. I'd make the deal expecting Wiggins and Exum to develop into your #1 and #2 options with Hayward, Favors, Burks, Martin and Hood providing support. Even with Booker, Novak and Evans, the Jazz would be a little bit light at the 4 spot and completely weak after Exum at PG, but maybe they'd bring Neto and Tomic over for depth purposes.

Jazz would instantly become media darlings if they could parlay the tank into Wiggins and Exum, even if it costs them an arm and a leg to pull it off.

Very good trade idea.

Seems pretty fair for everyone involved imo.

I would do if i were jazz.