You should add Wes Matthews to that list, since he was available throughout the entire second round.
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You should add Wes Matthews to that list, since he was available throughout the entire second round.
Ellipse
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Well, we had three quality picks and three decent picks in 21 years, so the odds are that those 10 picks should net us one quality pick and two decent picks.
Ellipse
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Each draft has exactly 30 2nd round picks. It doesn't matter how many 2nd round picks the Jazz own, there are still only 30 2nd round picks in any given year. If anything, the more 2nd round picks the Jazz own, the more leverage (read: value) each pick has in trade because fewer teams have them as assets.
You need to have available roster spots to make that calculus. Those 20 or so picks are spread through 20 years, not 4...
Ellipse
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In 2 years, there is a good chance either Kanter or Burks will be gone. In 4 years, there is a very good chance Hayward will be gone and maybe even Favors. It doesn't matter what we as fans want, players follow the money and the Jazz can't max everybody. There will always be at least three roster spots open every year and a second rounder can fill one of them if he shows promise.
If we could use them and get their value, that would be true, but we can't - we have limited roster space. Also, it is not by accident that the second round picks are not guaranteed a contract. A lot of teams do NOT put any value on them and don't even sign the players they've drafted in the second round, there definitely isn't lack of supply for second round picks so the jazz having 3 picks would make any difference.
You just listed 3 players that would be gone in the next 4 years. For the same 4 years we have 15 draft picks(10 of them in the second round)! I know what you mean - usually you'd need to fill up your roster with a couple of rookies. The problem is when you have an abundance of them(like in 2017 we have 5). At some point we need to stop acquiring rookies and need to start spending so we'd turn into a contender. You can't rely only on bunches of second round rookies to push you toward being a contender.
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Jazz can max all their FAs. With these picks, it just gives us more opportunity to assemble the largest collection of Mac contracts in the league.
Stifle Tower
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Ever heard of trading up?
Jazz won't use all those picks; they're assets. To some teams, an early 2nd round pick is better than a late first due to the non-guaranteed contract. Some picks will be trading chips, some will be used on players, some may get pushed back to later years. Will some be wasted? Yes, just like most 2nd-rounders, finding a gem is rare. NO team hits on every pick. But the more darts you have, the better chance to hit a bulls-eye.
Point is, the Jazz were going to have LucasIII languish on the bench. Murphy wasn't very likely to make the team, and Thomas was going to be used sparingly.
Thomas: 8 games/8 minutes per. Is Booker better? Yes, considerably.
Murphy: 24 games/3 minutes per. Is Novak better? Yes. Murphy was absolutely horrible in SL.
JLIII: just about any player in the league is better as a 3rd PG.
IINM, Thomas and Murphy were waiver pickups - they cost the Jazz nothing. Utah brought them in for a test drive, but have now flipped them for the 33rd pick last season PLUS another pick PLUS cash.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the trade itself - it makes perfect sense, I have nothing against acquiring assets and I know perfectly well assets can be used in all kinds of different ways. My main point is I think the time of asset accumulation should be near its end and we should be looking to cash in some of them in the near future.
Stifle Tower
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Yes, we are in agreement on that one.
I think DL has set up a pipeline knowing that players will be lost and hard decisions will need to be made. For example, Kanter might have a decent season, but since Favors is already signed and Gobert looks like a franchise 5, Enes might be the odd man out. And the same MIGHT be true of Burks if he shows good, but not great potential. ALready have Hayward in the fold and Hood looks like an absolute STEAL at #23. Rodney may force himself into the lineup at SF, shifting Gordon back to SG.
At some point, Utah may own half the players in Europe (with SA owning the rights to the others). Jazz will bring them over as needed, just like SA has done.
Mission Accomplished
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let's trade Lindsey for a worthless second round pick. we just dumped three players for one and another worthless second when we need to fill out our roster. wait Hayward and booker just eat up all of our cap room that we have been bragging about.