Stupid Pet Peeves

[8]

Be aware that's a very old jazzfanz joke, probably dating back 10 or more years. So if you read it on here from an old-timer, it was quite likely written on purpose to be funny.

Ah okay, didn't know that.

Sadly I didn't see it here tho

 

[LogGrad98]

Ah okay, didn't know that.

Sadly I didn't see it here tho

Yes, sadly I hear this kind of thing from my in-laws all the time. For all intensive purposes it just makes me cringe.

 

[addictionary]

https://youtu.be/O3VyFoceTJk

 

[Gameface]

I got to disagree with you on this one. Flip-flops are the greatest thing. I live in them in the summer, no reason to cram your foot into an uncomfortable, hot and sweaty shoe in the summer. Flip flops or bare foot is the way to be in the summer. I find it weird when people wear shoes with shorts, especially board shorts.

Im indifferent on the painted toe nails.

I didn't mean any offense or anything, I'm just not a foot person at all and I'd rather not see people's feet. Toenail polish doesn't make it any better. In fact, for me, it makes it worse.

 

[colton]

I would add to this ANYONE who EVER uses BCC unless it is to a large group that they want to remain anonymous. Saw a firing due to a hubbub that erupted when a single person was included in BCC to try to "catch" someone else on the email string. The person in BCC (happened to be the boss of the group) didn't realize they were BCC'd and went to town on everyone. It was ugly.

Yah, bcc should be all or nothing.

 

[LogGrad98]

https://youtu.be/O3VyFoceTJk

Obviously it is jamiryo. Duh.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Yah, bcc should be all or nothing.

I know what bbc stands for, so I'm just going to assume you're talking about big Caucasian ****. Just cuz it amuses me.

 

[colton]

Since the core of your posts above is the bolded let's look at that. Is it Gift or Jift? Is it Git or Jit? Is it Goat or Joat?

Guy or Juy?

Girl or Jirl?

Gone or Jone?

In fact it takes a second syllable or a different configuration entirely to render a leading G a soft G sound, according to standard english pronunciation. Therefore according to your logic it should be G-if and not J-if.

Oh I thought of one, gym. Of course that uses a consonant that is also a vowel so it is a special case. Also (mostly) standard is if a G is followed by an E it normally takes a soft G. Not many single-syllable words start with GI and take a soft G sound. In fact the standard would be if the I is followed by another vowel (giant), it takes a soft G otherwise it take's a hard G. So jif would at the very least be an exception to the rule.

An other juesses?

While you are correct that there are some cases where a g followed by an i is pronounced as a "hard g", those are in fact exceptions to the rule. The general rule is this:

If the following letter is ‘E’, ‘I’ or ‘Y’, the pronunciation is said to be “soft”
from https://esl.about.com/od/speakingintermediate/a/hardsoftcg.htm

the soft "g" occurs when the "g" comes before the letters "e", "i" or "y", and the hard "g" occurs elsewhere.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_English_words_where_G_is_pronounced_exceptionally

When c or g meets a, o, or u, its sound is hard. When c or g meets e, i, or y, its sound is soft.
https://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0903396.html

Soft g before a front vowel if the word has a Romance origin (geography, giant, ginger, general)
https://theweek.com/articles/463959/why-are-there-two-pronunciations-letter-g

General Rules - If the g is followed by e, i, or y, the pronunciation is “soft g”. If the g is followed by any other letter (than e, i, y), the pronunciation is “hard g”.
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/the-two-sounds-of-g/

Those are the top 5 search results on https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=when to pronounce soft g.

Sources agree universally on this, without exception as far as I could find.

Therefore, the default pronunciation should be "jif", and it would have to be an exception to the rule to be pronounced with a hard g. Especially since that's how the person who invented the word said it should be pronounced!

Just for good measure, here's a list of "gi" words with soft g to counter your list:

giant
gibberish
giblet
Gibraltar
gigantic
gin
ginger
gingerly
ginormous
giraffe


And if you want more words, one can easily think of other soft g ones like this:

generous
geography
gel
gerbil
general
gym
gypsy
gyrate
gyroscope

 

[Darkwing Duck]

While you are correct that there are some cases where a g followed by an i is pronounced as a "hard g", those are in fact exceptions to the rule. The general rule is this:

If the following letter is ‘E’, ‘I’ or ‘Y’, the pronunciation is said to be “soft”
from https://esl.about.com/od/speakingintermediate/a/hardsoftcg.htm

the soft "g" occurs when the "g" comes before the letters "e", "i" or "y", and the hard "g" occurs elsewhere.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_English_words_where_G_is_pronounced_exceptionally

When c or g meets a, o, or u, its sound is hard. When c or g meets e, i, or y, its sound is soft.
https://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0903396.html

Soft g before a front vowel if the word has a Romance origin (geography, giant, ginger, general)
https://theweek.com/articles/463959/why-are-there-two-pronunciations-letter-g

General Rules - If the g is followed by e, i, or y, the pronunciation is “soft g”. If the g is followed by any other letter (than e, i, y), the pronunciation is “hard g”.
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/the-two-sounds-of-g/

Those are the top 5 search results on https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=when to pronounce soft g.

Sources agree universally on this, without exception as far as I could find.

Therefore, the default pronunciation should be "jif", and it would have to be an exception to the rule to be pronounced with a hard g. Especially since that's how the person who invented the word said it should be pronounced!

Just for good measure, here's a list of "gi" words with soft g to counter your list:

giant
gibberish
giblet
Gibraltar
gigantic
gin
ginger
gingerly
ginormous
giraffe


And if you want more words, one can easily think of other soft g ones like this:

generous
geography
gel
gerbil
general
gym
gypsy
gyrate
gyroscope

Lots of wrong things here. I'll start from bottom Giblet to a person not knowing the word will use a hard g (likely due to the similar spelled "goblet").

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/giblet

Both are acceptable.

We're talking about /ɪ/ here and not the diphthong i, so giant, ginormous, and gigantic are irrelevant and unusable examples. "y" is the indicator that the word is spoken with /dʒ/, so any gy HELPS the cause that "gi" is /gɪ/. Any other vowel sound is irrelevant since all we're concerned with is /ɪ/. Allophonic rules in other languages support this. ㅅ in Korean is /s/ except when followed by the letter 이 (forming 시), which is /i/. /s/ then becomes /ʃ/. For every other phoneme, it remains /s/.

Gibraltar is a proper noun from another language, so it's a poor example.

So, in the end, the VAST MAJORITY of "gi-" words with /ɪ/ as its vowel use the voiced velar stop and not the voiced alveolar affricate. "g" in the middle or end of words is irrelevant since different rule sets apply.

"gif" is not a Roman origin, so that "rule" doesn't apply, adding to the irrelevancy of middle to end syllabic allophonic rules of the letter "g" (allophonic rule for the g in "magic" to be /dʒ/ doesn't apply to the case of a primary g, for example). Thus, pretty much all five links provided are poor examples of explaining why "gif" shouldn't be pronounced /gɪf/.

Finally, language defined is something spoken that is understood by the sender and the receiver. The creator is only half the equation. If the creator creates a word no one accepts or understands, it doesn't exist, thus the creator's intention is only partially relevant and not a deterministic factor in determining an "official" pronunciation.

 

[Boris]

I always immediately through them on the ground and hope they get in trouble for littering.

Yes I use to do this. Then I realize two assholes do not make a vagina so now I just throw them away at home. why are they allow to pollute my vehicle in first place? Can I advertise my dog poop removal business by throwing dog **** with a business card into your lawn?

 

[Boris]

While you are correct that there are some cases where a g followed by an i is pronounced as a "hard g", those are in fact exceptions to the rule. The general rule is this:

If the following letter is ‘E’, ‘I’ or ‘Y’, the pronunciation is said to be “soft”
from https://esl.about.com/od/speakingintermediate/a/hardsoftcg.htm

the soft "g" occurs when the "g" comes before the letters "e", "i" or "y", and the hard "g" occurs elsewhere.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:List_of_English_words_where_G_is_pronounced_exceptionally

When c or g meets a, o, or u, its sound is hard. When c or g meets e, i, or y, its sound is soft.
https://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0903396.html

Soft g before a front vowel if the word has a Romance origin (geography, giant, ginger, general)
https://theweek.com/articles/463959/why-are-there-two-pronunciations-letter-g

General Rules - If the g is followed by e, i, or y, the pronunciation is “soft g”. If the g is followed by any other letter (than e, i, y), the pronunciation is “hard g”.
https://www.dailywritingtips.com/the-two-sounds-of-g/

Those are the top 5 search results on https://www.google.com/webhp?source...=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=when to pronounce soft g.

Sources agree universally on this, without exception as far as I could find.

Therefore, the default pronunciation should be "jif", and it would have to be an exception to the rule to be pronounced with a hard g. Especially since that's how the person who invented the word said it should be pronounced!

Just for good measure, here's a list of "gi" words with soft g to counter your list:

giant
gibberish
giblet
Gibraltar
gigantic
gin
ginger
gingerly
ginormous
giraffe


And if you want more words, one can easily think of other soft g ones like this:

generous
geography
gel
gerbil
general
gym
gypsy
gyrate
gyroscope

Do you happen to be a teacher?

 

[colton]

Finally, language defined is something spoken that is understood by the sender and the receiver. The creator is only half the equation. If the creator creates a word no one accepts or understands, it doesn't exist, thus the creator's intention is only partially relevant and not a deterministic factor in determining an "official" pronunciation.

I think I get the gist of what you are saying.