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I think it less than coincidence that virtually every state in the top 20 with the highest gun deaths per capita is a red state.

I think that speaks volumes about guns and the mindset of those who own them.
 
Zombie said:
Actually that was advice. If you want to have a dialogue with people, beginning posts with obvious nonsense like that is a great way to undermine that.

Anyway I went back to read what you wrote and realized my instincts were right. You completely mischaracterized what I wrote, and addressed points I didn't bring up. I didn't say a damn thing about people who are pro gun, and didn't insinuate anything about them being a plague.

You don't seem like someone who is acting in good faith so I will refrain from replying to you in the future, and would ask the same of you in return.
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If you want to have a dialogue with people then don't open with a statement that is utter ******** that has been made up by a couple newspaper articles and stating it as fact.

By your logic, having police patrol the highways and neighborhoods increases violence. Do you see why someone with an IQ above 1 would write you off as a dumbass?

There aren't any studies proving what you beli eve to be fact. I've looked foir them.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
One thing I wondered last night, and I’ll get laughed off the board for this, and I’m not saying there is a correlation, but I wonder, has to do with the sharp decline of manufacturing jobs in this country over the last 20 or so years. I’m sure it began prior to that but it’s continued for years now.

I don’t have time to explain my thought process right now but I’m short, it has to do with disillusionment.
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https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...-to-disrupted-sleep-routines-finds-study.aspx

I, personally, think that cell phones are ****ing kids up with their mental health. Their schedules get messed up, their sleep cycles and gawd knows what they are reading online to influence or entertain their thoughts.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think it less than coincidence that virtually every state in the top 20 with the highest gun deaths per capita is a red state.

I think that speaks volumes about guns and the mindset of those who own them.
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It's a way of life out west and other areas, but yes it is a small town, leave us alone and let us live our own damn life's mindset. People from high population density areas can't relate to red states because density necessitates more regulation and you are much more accustomed to compromising and shaking hands. Out west, our compromise has a tendency of "**** off, we gon do it are way"

I work with people from your neck of the woods who thought owning a gun was insane until they moved here in their late 30's and now own several.

The cultural mindset is simply different, and I think cultural difference and diffusion as well is important to people.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
It's a way of life out west and other areas, but yes it is a small town, leave us alone and let us live our own damn life's mindset. People from high population density areas can't relate to red states because density necessitates more regulation and you are much more accustomed to compromising and shaking hands. Out west, our compromise has a tendency of "**** off, we gon do it are way"

I work with people from your neck of the woods who thought owning a gun was insane until they moved here in their late 30's and now own several.

The cultural mindset is simply different, and I think cultural difference and diffusion as well is important to people.
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Cultures evolve.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I think it less than coincidence that virtually every state in the top 20 with the highest gun deaths per capita is a red state.

I think that speaks volumes about guns and the mindset of those who own them.
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This is a good point. I think states with lax gun laws (red states) significantly contributes to higher gun violence rates. Especially if you include suicide in those gun violence rates. It's no small wonder that if guns are readily available they will more likely be used rather than in blue states where guns are much more difficult to get.

Many gun nuts like to bring up Chicago's high gun violence rate. But the key is reading into those statistics. I've read several reports now that most of the guns used in Chicago (66 percent) come from out of state. So in a way, strict gun laws in Illinois are working. But we need the collaboration of other states to really enforce them. That's why I support stronger NATIONAL gun laws. Much like the LGBT rights, gun laws don't work work each state gets "A la carte" treatment.

Wes Mantooth said:
One thing I wondered last night, and I’ll get laughed off the board for this, and I’m not saying there is a correlation, but I wonder, has to do with the sharp decline of manufacturing jobs in this country over the last 20 or so years. I’m sure it began prior to that but it’s continued for years now.

I don’t have time to explain my thought process right now but I’m short, it has to do with disillusionment.
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I've thought about this too and I have no doubt that economic displacement is a factor. But why hasn't Europe seen surges in gun violence? Haven't they seen steep declines in manufacturing jobs? Why are shootings occurring in places without a history of manufacturing decline (Vegas, Houston, Parkland, Aurora, New Town)? If economic displacement was significant, I'd think we'd see surges of school, church, and theater shootings skyrocketing in places like Michigan, Ohio, and West Virginia.

So either the Europeans have done something right to retrain their workers displaced by manufacturing decline or economic displacement isn't a significant factor for gun violence rates.

In my opinion, the skyrocketing occurrences of mass shootings is more closely correlated to the expiration of the "Assault Weapons Ban" which expired in 2004. Before 2004, the weapon most commonly used in these mass shootings, the AR-15, was banned. High capacity magazines were banned as well. Today, people combine the AR-15 with high capacity magazines and bump stocks and wreck havoc.
 
bigb said:
Fair warning: I’m going to make this post and then probably never open this thread again. If I do, the likelihood of me responding is slim to none. It’s a pointless exercise in futility based on who I’ve seen in here.
For those arguing the 2nd Amendment is outdated and to be revoked/drastically changed: it was made the same time as the 1st Amendment. Is it also outdated? Should it be revoked/drastically changed?
Can we not recognize that a 17 year old in possession of a firearm is illegal?Specifically, how do YOU propose we “keep guns out of the hands of criminals”?
Do you honestly believe “strict gun laws” are the answer? Please cite statistics to back up your claim. From here in America, since that’s where we are talking about.

For the record, I do favor gun reform. It is too easy to obtain a firearm in this country. IMO, no private sales should be allowed. Everything should have to go through a licensed dealer. I would be in favor of waiting periods, stronger and universal background checks. It probably wouldn’t be hard to convince me that a magazine size limit is a good idea. There is no reason an ordinary citizen needs a fully automatic weapon. Bump stocks should have been outlawed from the start.
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I'll give you a statistic. In the UK, with a population of 55 million, there are 50-60 deaths by gun violence annually. In the U.S. with a population of 300 plus million, there are about 10,000. The UK has gun control laws in place. At least, even though, you still believe the second amendment is viable, which I disagree with because the first amendment will always have a place in a free, democratic society, you see the need for firearms reform. I myself like most others who believe in control think people should be able to possess guns, it's just that they need to be regulated strictly to ensure the wrong people don't get them. It's really an attitude shift that is needed that like Jazzgal said, owning a gun is not a right but a privilege, like owning a car for which there are strict regulations. For guns, such regulations are even more important.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Cultures evolve.
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It always has, and should. I'm pointing out the practicality of a core reason behind our mindsets against those who think westerners, mid-westerners, and plenty of th South are just dumb rednecks because you mentioned red states. It's probably the main reason US politics are (is?) so divisive. People don't care to try understanding the other and can't relate.
 
Zombie said:
I’m sure you’re trying to make a really clever point of some kind here, but it’s worth considering that school shootings are so commonplace in this country that it’s gotten to the point where only the ones with a high body count break through into public consciousness.
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It's gotten to the point where only stories that fit the narrative break through the media, and therefore enter into the public consciousness. My belief is that our gun control laws need serious work, but I also believe we need an honest dialogue. The story of a hero who prevented a massacre ought to get some run. Most people don't even know about the Chicago situation.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-dixon-school-shooting-20180516-story.html
 
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