Texas school shooting

[Ron Mexico]

Yep, criminals and gang members are going to rush to the nearest gun redemption facility to surrender their weapons. Violent crime will drop to zero.

These school shootings are tragic. I hope it doesnt happen to my family. But taking away guns wont resolve the problem. As mentioned, there's no way to completely eliminate guns from every single person, nor do we want to.

I'm not a gun owner currently. But as I get older, as my income decreases and I'm forced to move into a dicier neighborhood, maybe I will. Or even as I go hiking alone. Lets say, just for ***** and giggles, criminal x accosts me on a trail and for some odd reason, wasn't able to buy a gun on the black market. You dont think he'd just use a hunting knife? If so, I want to have a gun to defend myself.

And for every shooting, let's also post crimes that were stopped or prevented by a bystander having a gun.

I think we really need to address the reason behind a lot of shootings: mental illness. Maybe it's time to reopen institutions. Maybe it's time for something to be done to better identify and help or commit the individuals who are showing signs of becoming violent.

Reducing guns would have a significant impact on suicide and is a much larger factor in gun deaths than anything else as you mentioned.


I agree we arent going to get rid of guns in the US anytime soon. But the idea it wouldnt have an impact and people would just use something else I do not believe to be correct. Yes, other violence and other weapons would be used but incidences would be reduced. Criminals would use guns less often if they were harder to buy on the black market and more importantly if being caught with one increased jail time and was an easy conviction. They would stop taking the risk of carrying one. You can rob someone with a knife but its not as successful. I am far less afraid of a knife being pulled on me than a gun.

I dont think anyone thinks if we got rid of guns there would be no murders and crime, just that it would lower it. Saving some lifes seems worth it.

But I am also a gun owner and have no intention of giving up my gun unless there is massive changes in society.

 

[MVP]

Then you have a misunderstanding of millions of Americans.

Also, gun buy back programs already exist. We still have 300 million plus guns. As constituted they are not working in accomplishing your goal.

So it needs to be constituted better. Pay more for buy out guns. As I said, your government wastes billions of dollars elsewhere, can afford to do something to reduce gun numbers for sure. Problem as I see is in unique mentality of american gun owners. Seriously, you guys are ****ed. No other country in the world is so obsessed with freaking guns.

 

[MVP]

But I am also a gun owner and have no intention of giving up my gun unless there is massive changes in society.

How much you paid for it? 400-500$? Would 4.000-5.000$ would not be enough for you to give it away? Are you even using it anyway?
I am not talking about hunters who need it for hunting.

 

[Ron Mexico]

How much you paid for it? 400-500$? Would 4.000-5.000$ would not be enough for you to give it away? Are you even using it anyway?
I am not talking about hunters who need it for hunting.

I am a hunter but I only go about once a year. I own a few guns that I paid about 1k for all of them. They are worth less than that now though. I do go out clay pigeon shooting/ fun shooting a few times a year. I also like having a pump shotgun for protection. But I dont keep shells in it. Its more to deter something than to actually shoot someone. Hearing a shotgun pump happen will deter pretty much anyone from breaking into a house. But the dogs also do a pretty good job of that.

Yes, if someone gave me 1k for my guns I would probably give them up. But that would have to be in combination with making it a felony for me to keep them and I would have to not be able to purchase another gun. Even if it was just a misdemeanor I would probably still keep 1 of my guns in this scenario.

But I am in the minority. Most gun nuts I know would not give up their guns even if offered money and threats of a felony for keeping them. They might give up some of their guns but not all of them. Also some of their guns are illegal as well.

 

[Stoked]

When you get into talk about felonies I wonder how you think that is enforced. I see huge problems with pretty much every scenario.

 

[Ron Mexico]

When you get into talk about felonies I wonder how you think that is enforced. I see huge problems with pretty much every scenario.

Its just a possession felony in most countries. It would not be a primary crime. But if you got pulled over and had it you get in trouble. If you commit a crime and have one on you there is a mandatory felony and mandatory set time.

But I agree it presents a lot of problems.

Step 1 that I see as borderline insurmountable problem is that the 2nd amendment would have to be re-defined in courts by its original meaning, and ultimately the supreme court would have to make a ruling on it to mean what it was intended and not what it is defined today as.. Or the 2nd amendment would have to be removed or changed.

 

[MVP]

Most gun obsessed Americans are like this dog in this cartoon. All world is telling - you guys have a serious problem, do something!.... yet..

 

[Siro]

My country of birth has a strong gun culture as well.

 

[Stoked]

Most gun obsessed Americans are like this dog in this cartoon. All world is telling - you guys have a serious problem, do something!.... yet..

Lmfao

 

[bigb]

My country of birth has a strong gun culture as well.

Lmao

 

[TroutBum]

They have a day each month where they cry over random **** while giving their testimony. Last time I went, a teenager told a parable about a bird that symbolizes Christ or something. He cried.

You should check that service out. First Sunday of each month, I believe.

Take away the 4 and 5 year olds that are just spewing what their mommy whispers in their ears, along with the 17-19 year old girls, and the clearly gay teen-22 year old boys, and you may be surprised at how incredible some of those meetings can be. I’m lightyears away from being a good Mo, but I’ve grown quite fond of listening to other people speak from their heart about things that mean so much. 90% of the time, it’s mediocre and not worth a second thought, but 1 out of 10 people will leave me mentally scratching my head, pondering things I’ve never had reason/thought to ponder, or just flat out feeling good/better about my life.

Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, but like almost everything else, when you look beneath the easy jokes, there is usually something worth taking away.

Oh ya, guns are lame.

 

[JazzGal]

Take away the 4 and 5 year olds that are just spewing what their mommy whispers in their ears, along with the 17-19 year old girls, and the clearly gay teen-22 year old boys, and you may be surprised at how incredible some of those meetings can be. I’m lightyears away from being a good Mo, but I’ve grown quite fond of listening to other people speak from their heart about things that mean so much. 90% of the time, it’s mediocre and not worth a second thought, but 1 out of 10 people will leave me mentally scratching my head, pondering things I’ve never had reason/thought to ponder, or just flat out feeling good/better about my life.

Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, but like almost everything else, when you look beneath the easy jokes, there is usually something worth taking away.

Oh ya, guns are lame.

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