Texas school shooting

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I guess I am fortunate to live in good neighborhoods. The sort of fear she is talking about (admittedly, I only listened to the first few minutes before getting tired of hearing her repeat herself) is completely foreign to me. I think there are times that I've felt uncomfortable about a situation, but that has happened to me in Europe, too.

 

[babe]

Because tyrants habitually get overthrown by private citizens with guns. And get replaced by wonderful, benevolent, freedom-loving dudes.

It happened once.

Canada failed to recognize the opportunity, and you're still a SUBJECT, not a citizen because of that failure.

 

[JimLes]

It happened once.

Canada failed to recognize the opportunity, and you're still a SUBJECT, not a citizen because of that failure.

I know. My day-to-day life would be so much better if only I had Trump for president instead of some old woman in London.

 

[babe]

Not only that, but with a gun I'll have no trouble taking on the National Security State when it comes time to arrest my subversive ***.

It has been said that "The pen is mightier than the sword". IMO, the pen is mightier than guns or bombs even nuclear, but without the gun in the hands of autonomous private individuals, the megalomaniacal power-obsessed types can surely ignore what is said, written, or posted online with much less irrational fear.

IMO, that is why today's fascist left and right are united in supporting gun control as well as regulating online offerings.

I have saved your comments about armed resistance, bro. Fun stuff. Yours and some others. The convenience of no memory. But my memory is not only pretty good, it is supported by actual evidence.

I have never advocated armed resistance, just made the point that guns in the hands of citizens can cause irrational fears in people who contemplate mass abuse of the populace.

 

[babe]

I know. My day-to-day life would be so much better if only I had Trump for president instead of some old woman in London.

Indifference to the possibilities of making things better is not great recommendation for anyone in any political camp.

 

[Jazzta]

Because tyrants habitually get overthrown by private citizens with guns. And get replaced by wonderful, benevolent, freedom-loving dudes.

How do you think the US became independent, with flowers and kindness?

 

[JimLes]

How do you think the US became independent, with flowers and kindness?

There might have been a few changes to the world in the past 250 years. A more recent example, say, from this millennium would probably strengthen your argument.

 

[One Brow]

It happened once.

Which country? The US relied on raised armies, not private citizens.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Because tyrants habitually get overthrown by private citizens with guns. And get replaced by wonderful, benevolent, freedom-loving dudes.

 

[Stoked]

There might have been a few changes to the world in the past 250 years. A more recent example, say, from this millennium would probably strengthen your argument.

Fine. How does 2010-11 sound?

South Sudan.

Yes there are differences, but their will always be differences. Population numbers, geography, religious leanings, educations, firearm access numbers, social media... none of them really line up with America as an example though. Only thing that would even come close IMO is it happening one russia or across the EU.

Other revolutions/protests/civil wars that lead to new governments since 2000s... Tunisia, Ukraine, Yemen and Maldives.

We are watching things play out in Venezuela as we speak.

 

[JimLes]

Fine. How does 2010-11 sound?

South Sudan.

Ignoring the fact that South Sudan is a failed state currently undergoing a brutal civil war, how exactly did armed private citizens defeat the Sudanese army and overthrow the Sudanese president who is still in the office?

 

[babe]

There might have been a few changes to the world in the past 250 years. A more recent example, say, from this millennium would probably strengthen your argument.

Filipinos in the streets staring down President Marcos' army with tanks on the streets is my idea of a better way. The Filipinos were not armed, and the troops had actual compassion and sympathy. It did not work out that way in Tienamen Square, though.

Filipinos have a constitution modeled after the US. I saw a lot of people with guns in open carry. Gangster-style drive-by shootings of local politicians happened once in a while, and I was in some areas actually controlled by the communist Huks. Jeeps driving on the streets with four or five guys with AK-47 or whatever actual military rifles. I was picked up a few times, and taken home where I was fed a nice meal by the folks because I could smile and listen and even produced a Book of Mormon, which I described as relevant to the issue of fatass corporate bastards including guvmint officials of all kinds having their own ways of bettering themselves. I learned that most of the commies actually were from the families of the very very wealthy few, and that it was not uncommon for them to go home to daddy and play nice.

China I don't know much about, never been there. But I think it is likely true that there are few guns in private hands, and there is a much stronger culture of compliance.