Tha Mormons

[franklin]

We need something to stir the we-all-know-what-everyone-thinks-so what's-the-point-in-discussion stagnation.

DSRT = deseret = honeybee?

Getting banned--twice for one offense, commies--got me to reading something meaningful. I was reading up on Egypt and ran into this on wiki:

"Deshret or DSRT also represents the insect known as the honeybee. The Book of Mormon claims that the word Deseret means honeybee."

Wow, sounds like something. I look into it and it originated from this Hugh Nibley fellow who I've read tidbits from but not much. Anyway, Nibley says DSRT, the red crown of lower Egypt was associated with the honey bee and the word was most likely lost/changed somewhere in time similar to YHWH to Adonai. Pretty damn interested at this point as it is obviously something J. Smith could never have known about. Rosetta Stone post-dates him.

The Mormons have a pretty good convergence here. I read a bunch of polemic against the idea, but it is just that. Haters gonna hate. Smith ballparked that leather.

So I go digging some more and D&C gets this Melchizedek priesthood name change spot on too, at least as authority Margaret Barker tells it.

Anyone into this stuff?

 

[trigg3r]

We need something to stir the we-all-know-what-everyone-thinks-so what's-the-point-in-discussion stagnation.

DSRT = deseret = honeybee?

Getting banned--twice for one offense, commies--got me to reading something meaningful. I was reading up on Egypt and ran into this on wiki:

"Deshret or DSRT also represents the insect known as the honeybee. The Book of Mormon claims that the word Deseret means honeybee."

Wow, sounds like something. I look into it and it originated from this Hugh Nibley fellow who I've read tidbits from but not much. Anyway, Nibley says DSRT, the red crown of early Egypt was associated with the honey bee and the word was most likely lost/changed somewhere in time similar to YHWH to Adonai. Pretty damn interested at this point as it is obviously something J. Smith could never have known about. Rosetta Stone post-dates him.

The Mormons have a pretty good convergence here. I read a bunch of polemic against the idea, but it is just that. Haters gonna hate. Smith ballparked that leather.

So I go digging some more and D&C gets this Melchizedek priesthood name change spot on too, at least as authority Margaret Barker tells it.

Anyone into this stuff?

What did you do to get banned?

 

[Scat]

What did you do to get banned?

He called Kicky a poo-poo head.

 

[Shad]

Nice to meet you.

 

[trigg3r]

He called Kicky a poo-poo head.

LOL, Classic Franklin.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

We need something to stir the we-all-know-what-everyone-thinks-so what's-the-point-in-discussion stagnation.

DSRT = deseret = honeybee?

Getting banned--twice for one offense, commies--got me to reading something meaningful. I was reading up on Egypt and ran into this on wiki:

"Deshret or DSRT also represents the insect known as the honeybee. The Book of Mormon claims that the word Deseret means honeybee."

Wow, sounds like something. I look into it and it originated from this Hugh Nibley fellow who I've read tidbits from but not much. Anyway, Nibley says DSRT, the red crown of lower Egypt was associated with the honey bee and the word was most likely lost/changed somewhere in time similar to YHWH to Adonai. Pretty damn interested at this point as it is obviously something J. Smith could never have known about. Rosetta Stone post-dates him.

The Mormons have a pretty good convergence here. I read a bunch of polemic against the idea, but it is just that. Haters gonna hate. Smith ballparked that leather.

So I go digging some more and D&C gets this Melchizedek priesthood name change spot on too, at least as authority Margaret Barker tells it.

Anyone into this stuff?

Yea, interesting stuff.
Do you have your fishing pole out, you know... the deep sea line with 5 hooks?

I do enjoy old history, and language to a certain extent, but I don't claim to know too much about it.

 

[LogGrad98]

This seems to me to be the realm of apologetics.




I'm sorry, but I never apologize.

 

[franklin]

This seems to me to be the realm of apologetics.

I'm sorry, but I never apologize.

You're conflating meanings and this isn't apologetic anyway. However, the underlying intents surely overlap. This falls more into the realm of historical proof/correlation/parallels, which I'm sure you don't require any of either. If physical proof is where you form your spiritual foundation then it'll wash away. You could physically prove J Smith didn't write the book and I could come back with some theory of Satan's demons giving him secrets of old written on gold plates. Prove me wrong. (BTW, this is an actual conspiracy theory. Google grey aliens and Moroni if you want some CT fun.)

 

[JohnStockalypse]

 

[colton]

Getting banned--twice for one offense, commies...

How do you figure?

You got a one week suspension because of these three incidents:

1) Thread: Breaking News: Utah...
Reason: Trolling
Issued: 05-17-2011 11:19 PM

2) Thread: Post your favorite GIF...
Reason: Inappropriate Content
Issued: 05-04-2011 01:37 PM

3) Thread: Official Game...
Reason: Circumventing Profanity Filter
Issued: 12-31-2010 12:29 AM

I think there was some problem with the automatic issuing of the suspension on May 17, so Jason ended up issuing it by hand on/around May 24.

 

[YB85]

How do you figure?

You got a one week suspension because of these three incidents:

1) Thread: Breaking News: Utah...
Reason: Trolling
Issued: 05-17-2011 11:19 PM

2) Thread: Post your favorite GIF...
Reason: Inappropriate Content
Issued: 05-04-2011 01:37 PM

3) Thread: Official Game...
Reason: Circumventing Profanity Filter
Issued: 12-31-2010 12:29 AM

I think there was some problem with the automatic issuing of the suspension on May 17, so Jason ended up issuing it by hand on/around May 24.

That's not the issue. The issue is to feel sorry for him.

So...Franklin, I feel sorry for you. Better?

 

[JohnStockalypse]

That's not the issue. The issue is to feel sorry for him.

So...Franklin, I feel sorry for you. Better?

Shut up Donny.

 

[colton]

Oh, as to your original post--I think there are SOME external evidences for Joseph Smith's authenticity. I don't know about those two particular ones. Some of the most compelling external evidences are on Jeff Linsday's website, here: https://www.jefflindsay.com/BMEvidences.shtml

To me, the most compelling ones from Lindsay's list are "Bountiful and Nahom in the Arabian Peninsula", "Numerous Hebraic Language Structures", and "Names in the Book of Mormon", along with other things such as the testimony of various witnesses (including Emma Smith's 1879 interview, see https://www.moroni10.com/witnesses/Emma_Smith.html), and the evidence from the manuscript corrections that the Book of Mormon was indeed from an oral dictation (I'm thinking of Royal Skousen's work, see here for example: https://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2002_Changes_in_the_Book_of_Mormon.html).

However, balancing against that are items such as the lack of DNA evidence for a group of Hebrews at that time period in the Americas, the similarity between Book of Mormon and King James Version language, and so forth.

If I didn't believe for spiritual reasons, I'm not sure which side I would consider to have the stronger evidence. As it is, the external evidences tend to boost my faith a bit but I have to reconcile the arguments against in some way.

 

[Archie Moses]

he called kicky a poo-poo head.

qft.

 

[Archie Moses]

A dude on Ancient Aliens suggests that Noah's Ark was an ancient alien DNA database. I love that show.

 

[sirkickyass]

He called Kicky a poo-poo head.

He created a "trap thread" designed to make it appear to the unwary that the Utah Jazz had moved up on both of their lottery picks. Those threads universally get taken down and their creators are given infractions.

It was his third infraction within 180 days.

 

[colton]

He created a "trap thread" designed to make it appear to the unwary that the Utah Jazz had moved up on both of their lottery picks. Those threads universally get taken down and their creators are given infractions.

...except for tradition, we do allow a single such thread on Apr 1 (first thread like that to be posted usually gets stickied).

 

[franklin]

How do you figure?

Well, Commie colton, it's because I invented an advanced math system that will revolutionize the world. I call it Frankition, and using it I come up with double dutch, twice in fact. My figures don't lie. They can't. I'm right and it is a fascist conspiracy. Ask poo-poo head. He gets warning messages all the time for his Stalinist activities, or so he say.

Ooh, that, and I'm trying to cry harder. Maybe somebody will feel territory encroachment and try reclaiming it.

 

[franklin]

However, balancing against that are items such as the lack of DNA evidence for a group of Hebrews at that time period in the Americas,

That was recently solved with a little word change to "among" from "primary". It shouldn't matter much as the situation is no different than not taking the Bible literally when it states "all".

the similarity between Book of Mormon and King James Version language, and so forth.

Well, now, translation issues are obviously a huge issue to the American Christian experiment. I see why this bothers them soooo much.

 

[Craig K. Manscill]

Ooh, I LOVE history! And you are absolutely right, anybody who has read the Book of Mormon and knows the particulars of pre-Columbian American history knows the two are very parallel.

For example, I am of the belief that metallurgy exists from that time period, we just haven't dug deep enough in the ground yet. The evidence is there. Smith hit the leather out of the ballpark, we just need to find the metal weaponry and horse remains that surely exist. If they didn't exist, then why is Joseph Smith a prophet? Exactly.

- Craig