Avery
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Check back in three years, but I have no doubt we will mess it up.
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The 2024 Election Thread - Because It's Never Too Early to Feel Disappointed
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Check back in three years, but I have no doubt we will mess it up.
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That’s probable. Good thing the Democratic base is broad and diverse and represents most of America. Biden and his policies are pretty much in line with the country.
The greater issue is Congress. You have a house that is gerrymandered all to hell and a Senate that structurally favors the increasingly out of step with most of America and increasingly illiberal Republican Party. And you have majority Republican legislatures that are now passing into law ways to overturn election results they don’t like.
These two major issues; Congressional structures and state Republican led efforts to overturn elections are far more concerning to me than who is running for president.
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I think we need to be careful when referring to a political party’s base. For republicans, that’s the radicals. And they’re increasingly deferring to the radicals in their base. There’s a Fox News (attention) and right wing ecosystem that incentivizes extremism. MTG was the top recipient of donations in the first quarter of this year. So there are clearly attention and financial incentivizes on the right that just don’t exist on the left.
For Democrats their base is representative of mainstream America. Unlike Republicans, moderates are in control of their party. There just isn’t a media system or a donor system that awards bomb throwers.
For Democrats their base is representative of mainstream America. Unlike Republicans, moderates are in control of their party. There just isn’t a media system or a donor system that awards bomb throwers.
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I hope you have more civic virtue than this.
It’s most likely going to be Trump or DeSantis. Both are horrible human beings and would further debase the office. As DeSantis has shown as Governor, he’s not a promoter of democracy. I think he'd be a smoother and smarter Trump; a lethal threat to our democracy.
I’d by far rather have a 100 year old Biden and Democrats who at least attempt to govern the country for all Americans than another 4 years of Republicans:
- Attempting to overthrow our democracy in favor of an authoritarian dictator.
- Leaders who merely seek to enrich themselves and their cronies.
- Demonizing immigrants and people of color.
- separating families and putting kids in cages.
- Gassing peaceful protesters and holding bibles upside down.
- dismissing science and scientists.
- Replacing good and fair judges with campaign donors and loyalists.
- Kissing up to dictators while trashing our democratic allies.
- Attacking the media and threatening to jail political opponents.
- Blackmailing countries to serve your personal political agenda.
- Nonstop Misogyny.
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I hope Fish votes in his local elections, but unless it's Trump there's a less than 0% chance anyone other than whoever has the (R) after their name wins in Utah, so I can't blame him for not bothering. And even with Trump it's about a 0.001% chance.
Maybe toss a vote to the 3rd party you like the most I guess.
Maybe toss a vote to the 3rd party you like the most I guess.
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Utahns loved Trump. Utah voted for Donald by greater percentages in 2020 than 2016. In 2016, he captured only 45 percent of the vote (mcmullin, a third party candidate took a piece). In 2020, he was over 58 percent of the vote. Utahns overwhelmingly voted for 4 more years of kissing up to dictators, gassing protestors, kids in cages, and covid mismanagement.
Utah, is the Alabama of the west. For all the good things the lds church does, the influence it has on politics leaves much to be desired. Voting for Trump isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement of the brand of Christianity practiced in Utah.
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Excellent summary of the provisions…
www.thebulwark.com
The Election-Reform Bill That Might Just Save Our Democracy
Unlike H.R. 1, the new Freedom to Vote Act has the backing of Joe Manchin.
www.thebulwark.com
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This should concern the crowd that’s always worried about freedom and privacy. Although, they probably don’t care since it’s republicans doing the abuse here.
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But what percentage of Utah's vote went to past republican presidential candidates?
Al-O-Meter
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Among the provisions:Excellent summary of the provisions…
The Election-Reform Bill That Might Just Save Our Democracy
Unlike H.R. 1, the new Freedom to Vote Act has the backing of Joe Manchin.
So if that were law, Republicans could impeach Biden for the materially false statement made within sixty days of the election of his claim that he will end COVID? Aside from this obviously not passing constitutional muster with the first amendment, am I to understand that unfulfilled campaign promises made by candidates, campaign staffs, PACs, etc., will become prosecutable?
It doesn't even say uncorrected materially false statement. Conceivably if candidate misspeaks and immediately corrects himself, he could still be prosecuted because he made the materially false statement. It also doesn't appear limited to campaign related materials so any error made by a newspaper for half a year (60 days before and 60 days after) become prosecutable.
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Does your bishop know this?
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Good question:
So historically, Trump sucked as a Republican in Utah. Or Utah is just turning bluer (slowly)?
