We were discussing a Florida law. There are child molesters that support the law, and those that oppose it. Your comment seems to be an attack by association.
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Bucknutz
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I said this earlier in the thread:
“Maybe if you don't talk about sexual topics, it might stop it from leading into other topics that could groom a child.”
This is my follow up to that point. Maybe not having sexual talks at an early age with teachers, these situations could be prevented. Some kids at 11 or 12 are still very innocent and still believe in Santa. It looks like this teacher started and successfully groomed this young boy.
It wasn’t an attack, you just took it that way. Maybe just maybe, people who don’t have the same political views as you, could help you understand where majority of the country feels on some topics.
Far far left Democrats like you and thriller need to understand what middle America and lean left/right people care about. If you keep screaming at people about trans women in women sports, Russia, J6, Trump, white supremacy, topics that fire you up but will keep pushing more voters away from your side. This is happening all across the USA, with all demographics. Look at polls, voter registration, election turnouts.
Parents rights, school choice, gas prices, 401k, health care, topics where the Left have been the leading voice on, has been trending towards the right. Stop being so smug and attacking when someone opposes your views and actually listen. It could actually help your party.
Bucknutz
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Here is a clip of Van Jones saying soming similar to my point.
View: https://twitter.com/tpostmillennial/status/1537857079410577409?s=21&t=jJss5M9DBPYmW17JUXEr6Q
View: https://twitter.com/tpostmillennial/status/1537857079410577409?s=21&t=jJss5M9DBPYmW17JUXEr6Q
Al-O-Meter
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The Democrat party is quickly becoming the Karen party.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULErJvlupaY
Grooming that would not have been happening in the classroom, in front of 20-30 other kids. There is nothing in the Florida law that would prevent grooming.
You weren't attacking the position that the law was ill-founded? FWIW, I didn't think I was being personally attacked.
Maybe, just maybe, I understand and fundamentally disagree.
Far far right Republicans like you and Al-O-Meter need to understand that we care about the exact same things you do. We care about our families being safe, we care about fairness and doing the right thing, we care about people being able to thrive. We see these things happening through different principles and means.
Odd you mention that list, since it's the right-wingers legislating about trans women in sports, saying Russia is s not being evil in the war with Ukraine, going to Trump rallies, and shouting "Jews will not replace us" (I don't even know what J6 is supposed to be). Who's really fanning the flames there?
Aside from health care, those have always been right-wing emphasized topics, where the left would discuss children's rights, school reform, and safe retirement. Currently, what's the right-wing position on health care?
Gas prices are the result of capitalism responding to the Ukraine war, and the resulting stress on fuel distribution. What sort of socialism would you have the government impose to change them?
The Thriller
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I hope folks are taking the time to watch the January 6 Committee hearings. I haven’t been able to watch them live but I’ve recorded them and play them on my phone or iPad. Sometimes I connect my headphones and listen to them when I’m doing chores around the house.
This judge’s testimony was incredible.
View: https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1538011019020095491?s=21&t=a4fWZZkLSut7ckHSiPDnLQ
And I think there’s a healthy reminder here. I get that gas prices are annoying. But they go up and down. Been that way since the dawn of time. I remember paying $4.00 a gal back in 2007-2008. In 2020 it was dirt cheap because no one was traveling due to Covid. Now it’s up because of the Russian war in Ukraine. So I get that gas prices and the natural business cycle resetting can be annoying. It happens about every 6-10 years. It’s normal. But if we wreck our democracy, what else matters? As Pence’s lawyer explained at the last hearing, Trump’s plan would’ve resulted in either overturning the results of the 2020 elections and turning him into a dictator or would’ve resulted in chaos that would’ve played out in American streets across the nation.
When taking that into consideration, what else matters? Are we really going to go down the dark paths of other authoritarian regimes and throw away our democracy over a gallon of gas? Cmon.
A vote for Repubs this fall is a vote to install a Republican dictator in 2024 regardless of the election results. As Hungary and Russia have found out sadly this century, installing a dictator is easy. Removing him from power once you’ve wrecked your democratic institutions and norms is very hard. So keep the long term vision of America in mind. Gas prices are annoying but they don’t have the long lasting impacts that empowering an authoritarian political party and candidates will have.
View: https://twitter.com/AymanM/status/1538188193614413824?s=20&t=3ODSnp7XrcGr1vf7cW6nZA
This judge’s testimony was incredible.
View: https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1538011019020095491?s=21&t=a4fWZZkLSut7ckHSiPDnLQ
And I think there’s a healthy reminder here. I get that gas prices are annoying. But they go up and down. Been that way since the dawn of time. I remember paying $4.00 a gal back in 2007-2008. In 2020 it was dirt cheap because no one was traveling due to Covid. Now it’s up because of the Russian war in Ukraine. So I get that gas prices and the natural business cycle resetting can be annoying. It happens about every 6-10 years. It’s normal. But if we wreck our democracy, what else matters? As Pence’s lawyer explained at the last hearing, Trump’s plan would’ve resulted in either overturning the results of the 2020 elections and turning him into a dictator or would’ve resulted in chaos that would’ve played out in American streets across the nation.
When taking that into consideration, what else matters? Are we really going to go down the dark paths of other authoritarian regimes and throw away our democracy over a gallon of gas? Cmon.
A vote for Repubs this fall is a vote to install a Republican dictator in 2024 regardless of the election results. As Hungary and Russia have found out sadly this century, installing a dictator is easy. Removing him from power once you’ve wrecked your democratic institutions and norms is very hard. So keep the long term vision of America in mind. Gas prices are annoying but they don’t have the long lasting impacts that empowering an authoritarian political party and candidates will have.
View: https://twitter.com/AymanM/status/1538188193614413824?s=20&t=3ODSnp7XrcGr1vf7cW6nZA
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The Thriller
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trump has a health care plan. It’s cheaper than the ACA, will save everyone money, and will cover everyone. He’ll reveal it in two weeks. Stay tuned!Grooming that would not have been happening in the classroom, in front of 20-30 other kids. There is nothing in the Florida law that would prevent grooming.
You weren't attacking the position that the law was ill-founded? FWIW, I didn't think I was being personally attacked.
Maybe, just maybe, I understand and fundamentally disagree.
Far far right Republicans like you and Al-O-Meter need to understand that we care about the exact same things you do. We care about our families being safe, we care about fairness and doing the right thing, we care about people being able to thrive. We see these things happening through different principles and means.
Odd you mention that list, since it's the right-wingers legislating about trans women in sports, saying Russia is s not being evil in the war with Ukraine, going to Trump rallies, and shouting "Jews will not replace us" (I don't even know what J6 is supposed to be). Who's really fanning the flames there?
Aside from health care, those have always been right-wing emphasized topics, where the left would discuss children's rights, school reform, and safe retirement. Currently, what's the right-wing position on health care?
Gas prices are the result of capitalism responding to the Ukraine war, and the resulting stress on fuel distribution. What sort of socialism would you have the government impose to change them?
I can tell I’m getting old around here because I remember when the Republican health care plan used to be the ACA. It was then adopted by a Republican governor In Massachusetts and celebrated. Not anymore. I’m getting old.
Al-O-Meter
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Yes, if anyone dares vote for any Republican then poof: dictatorship. The congress, courts and all local government checks and balances will instantly disappear you see.
As much fun as it is to point out completely idiocy like inflation being limited to milk being a few pennies more and ending when people stop buying so much milk, or it now being a choice between dictatorship or 1 gallon of gasoline, it makes me sad to know that so many of the left are so low wattage as to actually believe this garbage. No, gas isn't expensive because of Russia invading Ukraine. It has been going up since Joe Biden took office in January. No, inflation isn't going up because of Russia invading Ukraine or supply chain issues resulting from the COVID epidemic. Inflation is always, Always, ALWAYS a monetary issue. Always. The democrats caused it by running the printing presses to pay for legislation they passed on a party line vote. Now Joe Biden is threatening to run the money printing presses some more via executive order to pay off student loan debt. The ONLY solution to inflation is to contract the money supply and that will necessarily result in recession. The more the money printing presses are run, the more the money supply will need to be contracted to correct and the deeper the recession will be.
This isn't a hard concept. Everyone needs to stop being so stupid.
The Thriller
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It’s ironic that those who downplayed Jan 6, played whataboutism with the insurrection, and have downplayed Republican efforts to enact voter suppression legislation and changes to election counting are now downplaying the very real possibility of empowering an authoritarian movement this fall. Use your head folks. If we came THIS close to losing our democracy on Jan 6, 2021, how much closer are we going to be in 2024-2025 now that Trump has consolidated his grip on the party, purged nonbelievers, and will have control of the majority of state legislatures and Congress?
I think Judge Luttig (a long time conservative judge) stated things perfectly:
View: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1538590687784062976?s=21&t=f_LqlWiJhqjiTkiRrcyKLA
Next time, Trump and Republicans aren’t going to allow someone like Pence to stop their takeover. Our democracy remains in great peril. Again, gas prices come and go. High gas prices aren’t going to have any long term impact on most of us. But empowering an authoritarian party this fall certainly will. A vote for Republicans this fall, a party completely drunk on Trump’s big lie, will absolutely do whatever is necessary to get their guy (Trump, DesSantis, etc) into the White House no matter what the actual election results are. That’s scary folks.
I think Judge Luttig (a long time conservative judge) stated things perfectly:
View: https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1538590687784062976?s=21&t=f_LqlWiJhqjiTkiRrcyKLA
Next time, Trump and Republicans aren’t going to allow someone like Pence to stop their takeover. Our democracy remains in great peril. Again, gas prices come and go. High gas prices aren’t going to have any long term impact on most of us. But empowering an authoritarian party this fall certainly will. A vote for Republicans this fall, a party completely drunk on Trump’s big lie, will absolutely do whatever is necessary to get their guy (Trump, DesSantis, etc) into the White House no matter what the actual election results are. That’s scary folks.
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The Thriller
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I’m really excited about alt forms of energy that appear to becoming more prevalent and cheaper. Not only does this technology help create a sustainable and cleaner energy source but they also will help us get off the addiction to empowering the world’s worst dictators. Like seriously, the world’s largest oil producers are all run by horrible dictatorships.I am really excited for the deep sea generator Japan is setting up. That could be a substantial player in the renewables game. Not much more steady and powerful than ocean currents. Could be true limitless energy if we figure out how to harvest it and, more importantly, transport it where it is needed. For an island country like Japan it is a no-brainer and just a few of these could potentially provide them with most if not all of their power needs.
Giant deep-ocean turbine trial offers hope of endless green power
Power-hungry, fossil-fuel-dependent Japan has successfully tested a system that could provide a constant, steady form of renewable energy.www.seattletimes.com
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Al-O-Meter
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Yes, I'm downplaying paranoid stupidity that only exists in the imagination of the unhinged. As for voter suppression, the poster child was the new election laws in Georgia and they had a record turnout in the most recent election proving the screeching about voter suppression was nothing but uninformed noise.
Georgia Election Law Results in Record Early-Voting Turnout | Georgia Secretary of State
(Atlanta) – Georgians demonstrated their confidence in the state’s election integrity and ease of voting by showing up in record numbers during three weeks of early voting for the 2022 primary.
Social media will rot your brain. If there is anything you should fear, it is the now well documented negative effects of too much social media.
Al-O-Meter
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The largest oil producer in the world is the United States currently run by a Democrat House, Senate, and President. Canada is the fourth largest producer of oil and the party in power there is the Liberal Party of Canada.
gandalfe
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That's a bold statement...
The 10 largest oil1 producers and share of total world oil production2 in 20213
| Country | Million barrels per day | Share of world total |
| United States | 18.88 | 20% |
| Saudi Arabia | 10.84 | 11% |
| Russia | 10.78 | 11% |
| Canada | 5.54 | 6% |
| China | 4.99 | 5% |
| Iraq | 4.15 | 4% |
| United Arab Emirates | 3.79 | 4% |
| Brazil | 3.69 | 4% |
| Iran | 3.46 | 4% |
| Kuwait | 2.72 | 3% |
| Total top 10 | 68.82 | 72% |
| World total | 95.57 |
The Thriller
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Yep. Five out of ten are just terrible regimes and three are some of the worst places on earth to live. If authoritarianism wins here in the next few years, you could say that four out of five of the top oil producers are authoritarian regimes. The largest countries on both Americas and Asia all run by authoritarian regimes or dictators. Scary stuff.That's a bold statement...
The 10 largest oil1 producers and share of total world oil production2 in 20213
Country Million barrels per day Share of world total United States 18.88 20% Saudi Arabia 10.84 11% Russia 10.78 11% Canada 5.54 6% China 4.99 5% Iraq 4.15 4% United Arab Emirates 3.79 4% Brazil 3.69 4% Iran 3.46 4% Kuwait 2.72 3% Total top 10 68.82 72% World total 95.57
The Thriller
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It’s okay guys. I’m sure by 2024-2025 the GOP will have come to their senses and will act constitutionally in accepting the results of the 2024 election even if a Democrat wins. I mean, true, they aren’t right now. But I’m sure they’ll stand up for the country if Biden or Kamala Harris beat Trump or DeSantis in 2024. Right?
Only alarmists are worried about Republicans actually finishing the job they tried to do last election…
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Only alarmists are worried about Republicans actually finishing the job they tried to do last election…
Texas GOP Declares Biden Illegitimate, Demands End to Abortion
"We hold that acting President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was not legitimately elected by the people of the United States," says a resolution acted on by Texas Republicans.
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The Thriller
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If you don’t have much time to watch the hearings, at least watch this from 17:00-19:00. Keep this in mind for the fall. Trump/Eastman wanted to overturn the election. If they couldn’t get Trump electors then they wanted to keep it back to states. And if states couldn’t decide and the courts failed to intervene, Greg Jacobs, Pence’s former attorney, says that “things would’ve been decided in the streets.”
View: https://youtu.be/OZsd6iIPuNs
Do you really want to put back into power the very political party that will do anything to keep power? They’ve shown that they’re even more beholden to Trump now. Think of the long term ramifications that will happen if you give Republicans control of Congress so they can throw out election results for the presidential election in 2024? And once they install Trump/DeSantis, how will you ever get them out of office?
View: https://youtu.be/OZsd6iIPuNs
Do you really want to put back into power the very political party that will do anything to keep power? They’ve shown that they’re even more beholden to Trump now. Think of the long term ramifications that will happen if you give Republicans control of Congress so they can throw out election results for the presidential election in 2024? And once they install Trump/DeSantis, how will you ever get them out of office?
gandalfe
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I honestly thought the UK would be higher, but I guess they're too busy apologizing to actually pump any oil. As far as you saying 5 of them are horrible regimes, which ones AREN'T? The US (arguable, but...), Canada, maybe Kuwait? Bolsonaro runs Brazil like Trump WISHED he could have run the US, so definitely not Brazil. Maybe the UAE isn't bad, just brutally capitalist?
The Thriller
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Brazil, China, Iran, Russia, and SA are just brutal. Iraq, UAE, and Kuwait aren’t places I’d like to live. Brutally capitalist and repressive is probably a good way of framing it. Monarchies in that part of the world still hold a lot of power and rights for minorities and women are pretty limited.
United Arab Emirates: Country Profile
Access Freedom House reports on United Arab Emirates, see recent news and perspectives, and learn about our work in the country.
Kuwait: Country Profile
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Bolsonaro, like Trump and Orban, is using fear against LGBTs and other minorities scapegoats. He also attacks journalists who don’t tow the company line, which makes it really hard to being (honest) attention to his corruption. No journalist or media company want to make enemies with someone who can destroy them financially if not actually physically.
Unlike Trump, he actually seems somewhat competent. The thing that Trump really has going for him is the well funded political apparatus that the right has set up, the white grievance so embedded in American culture, and Trump’s natural tv talent to suck up all the oxygen in the room.
The Thriller
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Nothing to worry about. This is fine. I’m sure they’ll abide by the 2024 election results even if it doesn’t go their way.
Ask yourself, are people like Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney alarmists?
So why Give this party Congress cuz gas prices? Are we really going to throw away American democracy so cheaply?
View: https://twitter.com/scholarlyspoon/status/1538348371102015488?s=21&t=m7VdlL0uO9dVmVZlDOn25w
Ask yourself, are people like Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney alarmists?
So why Give this party Congress cuz gas prices? Are we really going to throw away American democracy so cheaply?
View: https://twitter.com/scholarlyspoon/status/1538348371102015488?s=21&t=m7VdlL0uO9dVmVZlDOn25w
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