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fishonjazz said:
I love the responses. Seems like everyone is pretty happy with it. Its not there is money for reparations for black people or forced CRT teachings right? Seems like the items on that list benefit republicans the same much as they benefit democrats.
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If you think "everyone is pretty happy with it" then you need to explain why it didn't pass. It hasn't passed the House where Democrats have the majority and it hasn't passed the Senate where, with Kamala as a tiebreaker, Democrats have the majority. Anyone claiming that "almost half of all the republicans in the senate voted for it" might as well be waiving a neon sign over their heads to signal they don't know what they are talking about. This bill is DOA and everyone knows it.

There are two bills. There is the $1.2T Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework (BIF) bill that did pass and there is the $1.7T Build Back Better Act talked about in this tweet which got punted. The Build Back Better bill doesn't have anything to do with roads. As for who could complain about this, that would be anyone with a higher-than-room-temperature IQ and even a Middle School grasp of economics. Inflation just posted the highest numbers in 30 years. It barely missed hitting the highest number in 50 years by a whisker. When you run the printing presses it devalues the dollar. Anyone believing the lie about Build Back Better having a net $0 cost is a mouthbreathing moron, and even the Democrat majority in the House aren't that dumb. Wages are rising slower than inflation, meaning they tell you "wages are rising" but you all now get paid less than you used to as adjusted for inflation. Is that what you want? More inflation? Do you want to know what the economy is about to do as the Fed ramps down the stimulus they've been pumping in?
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
If you think "everyone is pretty happy with it" then you need to explain why it didn't pass. It hasn't passed the House where Democrats have the majority and it hasn't passed the Senate where, with Kamala as a tiebreaker, Democrats have the majority. Anyone claiming that "almost half of all the republicans in the senate voted for it" might as well be waiving a neon sign over their heads to signal they don't know what they are talking about. This bill is DOA and everyone knows it.

There are two bills. There is the $1.2T Bipartisan Infrastructure Framework (BIF) bill that did pass and there is the $1.7T Build Back Better Act talked about in this tweet which got punted. The Build Back Better bill doesn't have anything to do with roads. As for who could complain about this, that would be anyone with a higher-than-room-temperature IQ and even a Middle School grasp of economics. Inflation just posted the highest numbers in 30 years. It barely missed hitting the highest number in 50 years by a whisker. When you run the printing presses it devalues the dollar. Anyone believing the lie about Build Back Better having a net $0 cost is a mouthbreathing moron, and even the Democrat majority in the House aren't that dumb. Wages are rising slower than inflation, meaning they tell you "wages are rising" but you all now get paid less than you used to as adjusted for inflation. Is that what you want? More inflation? Do you want to know what the economy is about to do as the Fed ramps down the stimulus they've been pumping in?
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Silly guy you need to read better. When i said seems like everyone is happy with it I was speaking about the responses to the tweet. They were overwhelmingly in favor of it.
 
fishonjazz said:
Silly guy you need to read better. When i said seems like everyone is happy with it I was speaking about the responses to the tweet. They were overwhelmingly in favor of it.
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Sorry if I'm extra bitey. I'm dealing with some really heavy stuff in real life. Things that I typically let roll off aren't rolling off right now.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Sorry if I'm extra bitey. I'm dealing with some really heavy stuff in real life. Things that I typically let roll off aren't rolling off right now.
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No worries bro. Thanks for your post and I hope things get better. I have been a bit of a douche lately as I am also going through some stuff (well my dad is anyway). I dont know if this is the best place to share but F it, maybe it will make me feel better.

My dad fought in the vietnam war. He was an expert marksman so as you can probably imagine he was placed into a position that forced him to see and do some horrific things. Well he is 78 now and since being out of vietnam up until this last summer he had no issues (that we knew of). Then we went to hawaii this past june. We drove the road to Hana which goes through some pretty dense forestation. It reminded him of vietnam and triggered a really bad PTSD flashback situation. He has had numerous other episodes since then. At first they would be triggered by things that reminded him of the war like seeing locations he was at in online articles or one time simply talking to another vet at a del taco and trading war stories. These episodes are terrifying and he becomes violent and scary and screams I dont want to be here, and I hate this ****ing place etc. He will often end up crying on the floor/ground uncontrollably. He is probably the nicest human i have ever met normally. He doesn't swear (he was a bishop in the mormon church) but when he has one of these flashback episodes he turns into another person.
Then things got worse. These episodes started happening with no obvious trigger. At one time we could manage the episodes with medication that would make him sleep and he would wake up ok. But that stopped being effective. One night my mom calls and said that we needed to come over and get his guns because he was suicidal from these flashbacks (plus there is fear of him hurting someone else) so about 20-30 guns were confiscated including a loaded one in his truck. We took him to the VA and they put him into an institution (that he hated) and he stayed there for about 5 days. While there we learned that he has been having suicidal thoughts for a few years now and has been thinking about Nam a lot for a while. They said his new meds seemed to be working and the work he was doing with his therapist was helping and so he was released on monday of this week. On tuesday he went to do some volunteer work at his local mormon temple and had another episode.
Its quite a helpless feeling to watch this happen to my father (and family). I have been pretty moody lately. Even started smoking some cigarrettes again after having quit for many years. Sucks.
 
fishonjazz said:
No worries bro. Thanks for your post and I hope things get better. I have been a bit of a douche lately as I am also going through some stuff (well my dad is anyway). I dont know if this is the best place to share but F it, maybe it will make me feel better.

My dad fought in the vietnam war. He was an expert marksman so as you can probably imagine he was placed into a position that forced him to see and do some horrific things. Well he is 78 now and since being out of vietnam up until this last summer he had no issues (that we knew of). Then we went to hawaii this past june. We drove the road to Hana which goes through some pretty dense forestation. It reminded him of vietnam and triggered a really bad PTSD flashback situation. He has had numerous other episodes since then. At first they would be triggered by things that reminded him of the war like seeing locations he was at in online articles or one time simply talking to another vet at a del taco and trading war stories. These episodes are terrifying and he becomes violent and scary and screams I dont want to be here, and I hate this ****ing place etc. He will often end up crying on the floor/ground uncontrollably. He is probably the nicest human i have ever met normally. He doesn't swear (he was a bishop in the mormon church) but when he has one of these flashback episodes he turns into another person.
Then things got worse. These episodes started happening with no obvious trigger. At one time we could manage the episodes with medication that would make him sleep and he would wake up ok. But that stopped being effective. One night my mom calls and said that we needed to come over and get his guns because he was suicidal from these flashbacks (plus there is fear of him hurting someone else) so about 20-30 guns were confiscated including a loaded one in his truck. We took him to the VA and they put him into an institution (that he hated) and he stayed there for about 5 days. While there we learned that he has been having suicidal thoughts for a few years now and has been thinking about Nam a lot for a while. They said his new meds seemed to be working and the work he was doing with his therapist was helping and so he was released on monday of this week. On tuesday he went to do some volunteer work at his local mormon temple and had another episode.
Its quite a helpless feeling to watch this happen to my father (and family). I have been pretty moody lately. Even started smoking some cigarrettes again after having quit for many years. Sucks.
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This sounds very difficult. I can't even imagine. I'm really sorry you're going through this and that your father, mother and the rest of your family are as well.
 
fishonjazz said:
No worries bro. Thanks for your post and I hope things get better. I have been a bit of a douche lately as I am also going through some stuff (well my dad is anyway). I dont know if this is the best place to share but F it, maybe it will make me feel better.

My dad fought in the vietnam war. He was an expert marksman so as you can probably imagine he was placed into a position that forced him to see and do some horrific things. Well he is 78 now and since being out of vietnam up until this last summer he had no issues (that we knew of). Then we went to hawaii this past june. We drove the road to Hana which goes through some pretty dense forestation. It reminded him of vietnam and triggered a really bad PTSD flashback situation. He has had numerous other episodes since then. At first they would be triggered by things that reminded him of the war like seeing locations he was at in online articles or one time simply talking to another vet at a del taco and trading war stories. These episodes are terrifying and he becomes violent and scary and screams I dont want to be here, and I hate this ****ing place etc. He will often end up crying on the floor/ground uncontrollably. He is probably the nicest human i have ever met normally. He doesn't swear (he was a bishop in the mormon church) but when he has one of these flashback episodes he turns into another person.
Then things got worse. These episodes started happening with no obvious trigger. At one time we could manage the episodes with medication that would make him sleep and he would wake up ok. But that stopped being effective. One night my mom calls and said that we needed to come over and get his guns because he was suicidal from these flashbacks (plus there is fear of him hurting someone else) so about 20-30 guns were confiscated including a loaded one in his truck. We took him to the VA and they put him into an institution (that he hated) and he stayed there for about 5 days. While there we learned that he has been having suicidal thoughts for a few years now and has been thinking about Nam a lot for a while. They said his new meds seemed to be working and the work he was doing with his therapist was helping and so he was released on monday of this week. On tuesday he went to do some volunteer work at his local mormon temple and had another episode.
Its quite a helpless feeling to watch this happen to my father (and family). I have been pretty moody lately. Even started smoking some cigarrettes again after having quit for many years. Sucks.
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Sorry to hear about this. This is terrible. Since he has been back, has he dealt with any issues from agent orange?
 
Bucknutz said:
Sorry to hear about this. This is terrible. Since he has been back, has he dealt with any issues from agent orange?
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Not that I know of. He does have some issues with one of his feet from jungle rot that he got over there.
 
Gameface said:
This sounds very difficult. I can't even imagine. I'm really sorry you're going through this and that your father, mother and the rest of your family are as well.
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Its kind of even worse, or better depending on how you look at it, because I have been no help at all. My parents live a ways away from me and I have been working quite a bit of overtime (60 hours this week for example) so I haven't had to/been able to really deal with it up close and personal. All the burden has pretty much fallen on my younger sister (she lives really close to them) and my mom. On the one hand Im really lucky to mostly just be hearing about it from my sister and brother in law but on the other hand I have a lot of guilt for not helping share some of the burden. I feel really bad for my mom and sisters family. My sisters husband is also a war veteran (desert storm) and has simply been an amazing asset through this. My dad really listens and talks with him in ways he wont with any of the rest of the family. So glad to have him to help. Plus he has his own issues from combat and due to what he is seeing happen to my father he has started going to a support group weekly and additional is seeing a therapist weekly so that his situation doesn't escalate to what my dad is going through. The therapist at the VA clinic asked my dad what year it was and he thought is was the 1960's. Not good.
So the silver lining at least is that my bro in law is getting some treatment too when he wouldn't have without having this happen to my dad.
 
fishonjazz said:
Not that I know of. He does have some issues with one of his feet from jungle rot that he got over there.
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I’ve had a couple of people in my life I’ve worked with, that had some behavioral changes later in life, which turned were early signs of dementia. I’ve been reading about a combination of ptsd and agent orange that is causing this to happen.
 
fishonjazz said:
No worries bro. Thanks for your post and I hope things get better. I have been a bit of a douche lately as I am also going through some stuff (well my dad is anyway). I dont know if this is the best place to share but F it, maybe it will make me feel better.

My dad fought in the vietnam war. He was an expert marksman so as you can probably imagine he was placed into a position that forced him to see and do some horrific things. Well he is 78 now and since being out of vietnam up until this last summer he had no issues (that we knew of). Then we went to hawaii this past june. We drove the road to Hana which goes through some pretty dense forestation. It reminded him of vietnam and triggered a really bad PTSD flashback situation. He has had numerous other episodes since then. At first they would be triggered by things that reminded him of the war like seeing locations he was at in online articles or one time simply talking to another vet at a del taco and trading war stories. These episodes are terrifying and he becomes violent and scary and screams I dont want to be here, and I hate this ****ing place etc. He will often end up crying on the floor/ground uncontrollably. He is probably the nicest human i have ever met normally. He doesn't swear (he was a bishop in the mormon church) but when he has one of these flashback episodes he turns into another person.
Then things got worse. These episodes started happening with no obvious trigger. At one time we could manage the episodes with medication that would make him sleep and he would wake up ok. But that stopped being effective. One night my mom calls and said that we needed to come over and get his guns because he was suicidal from these flashbacks (plus there is fear of him hurting someone else) so about 20-30 guns were confiscated including a loaded one in his truck. We took him to the VA and they put him into an institution (that he hated) and he stayed there for about 5 days. While there we learned that he has been having suicidal thoughts for a few years now and has been thinking about Nam a lot for a while. They said his new meds seemed to be working and the work he was doing with his therapist was helping and so he was released on monday of this week. On tuesday he went to do some volunteer work at his local mormon temple and had another episode.
Its quite a helpless feeling to watch this happen to my father (and family). I have been pretty moody lately. Even started smoking some cigarrettes again after having quit for many years. Sucks.
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Sorry to hear that fish. My deepest sympathies. I couldn't imagine how I would handle it to go through that with my father. Like you, my dad is one of the best people you will ever met and is absolutely my best friend. I hope you find peace.
 
fishonjazz said:
No worries bro. Thanks for your post and I hope things get better. I have been a bit of a douche lately as I am also going through some stuff (well my dad is anyway). I dont know if this is the best place to share but F it, maybe it will make me feel better.

My dad fought in the vietnam war. He was an expert marksman so as you can probably imagine he was placed into a position that forced him to see and do some horrific things. Well he is 78 now and since being out of vietnam up until this last summer he had no issues (that we knew of). Then we went to hawaii this past june. We drove the road to Hana which goes through some pretty dense forestation. It reminded him of vietnam and triggered a really bad PTSD flashback situation. He has had numerous other episodes since then. At first they would be triggered by things that reminded him of the war like seeing locations he was at in online articles or one time simply talking to another vet at a del taco and trading war stories. These episodes are terrifying and he becomes violent and scary and screams I dont want to be here, and I hate this ****ing place etc. He will often end up crying on the floor/ground uncontrollably. He is probably the nicest human i have ever met normally. He doesn't swear (he was a bishop in the mormon church) but when he has one of these flashback episodes he turns into another person.
Then things got worse. These episodes started happening with no obvious trigger. At one time we could manage the episodes with medication that would make him sleep and he would wake up ok. But that stopped being effective. One night my mom calls and said that we needed to come over and get his guns because he was suicidal from these flashbacks (plus there is fear of him hurting someone else) so about 20-30 guns were confiscated including a loaded one in his truck. We took him to the VA and they put him into an institution (that he hated) and he stayed there for about 5 days. While there we learned that he has been having suicidal thoughts for a few years now and has been thinking about Nam a lot for a while. They said his new meds seemed to be working and the work he was doing with his therapist was helping and so he was released on monday of this week. On tuesday he went to do some volunteer work at his local mormon temple and had another episode.
Its quite a helpless feeling to watch this happen to my father (and family). I have been pretty moody lately. Even started smoking some cigarrettes again after having quit for many years. Sucks.
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That sounds rough. My heavy stuff is not too different from yours, except it is my brother-in-law. He's retired military with PTSD and alcohol addiction on the level of Nicholas Case in second half of Leaving Las Vegas, except that he's in my guest bedroom. He's not battling addiction because that would indicate some sort of resistance. I'm watching him kill himself and I'm running out of ideas to slow things down. My wife has contacted a group of former military who help in situations like this and they're willing to do what they can but my brother-in-law has no interest. He doesn't want help.
 
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