The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

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They did kick them out. They didn’t invite them to stay at their sanctuary city. 44 hours stay and they shipped them off.

Given a choice between a common room in a church (basement?) and private (dormatory) accommodations, how many do you think preferred the public shelter? Do you think the MV residents should have insisted the migrants stay when better rooms were available? If your point was that the migrants should have been given this opportunity without being sent to MV in the first place, I agree. Staying on the streets should not be acceptable. However, that doesn't mean they were kicked out.

Why did the boarder crossings double, since Trump left.

The land is drying up, and there is increased water pressure. This has resulted in a their social structures crumbling, little by little, over the last several years.

I have and you’re hiding from responding.

You have a plan for walling off the rest of the desert? I missed that.

Are you saying that we need to camp the refugees on the southern side of the wall, as Trump did? Are they better off in Mexico, or does that just make you feel better if you can't see them? Is Mexico somehow better able to care for these refugees?

You can’t answer it. I have multiple times and you don’t like my answer, yet you won’t give an answer.

Every answer I have boils down to more resources. We have so much more available to share.

Once again, you are just responding with out facts:
“with state and local expenditures totaling $88.9 billion and Federal expenditures totaling $45.8 billion, with only approximately $19 billion recouped in taxes.”
That was in 2017, before doubling in boarder crossings.

I read the article. That $19 billion was in income taxes (not stated outright, but heavily implied when you read paragraphs 9-11, where they only discusses taxes on income.

Of course, I'm sure a centrist like you is noticed that a right-leaning website gave a slightly slanted version of the story.

So if you do the math, that is about $230 Billion in costs now. We could make college free for the cost of immigration.

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11.9 million students attended full time, 7.5 million students attended part time.

That's a little under $15K/year, my local state college (SIU-E) is over $22K when yo include housing/food, and not including books, computers, etc. So, 70% paid for. Of course, that also doesn't account for the money removed from the economy.

Texas spent $10 billion that year. You don’t think one of the wealthiest zip codes in America could take on 50 migrants.

If you point is NIMBY, I agree completely.

 

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Yet, the posters on the left in this forum will not call it a crisis.

Every poster on the left in this forum agrees it's a crisis. Take a breath, and think twice abo0ut the talking points before you repeat them.

As a country we can not keep taking in this amount of people.

That depends upon for how long. This country is full of excess.

 

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Every poster on the left in this forum agrees it's a crisis. Take a breath, and think twice abo0ut the talking points before you repeat them.


That depends upon for how long. This country is full of excess.

America is also undergoing demographic change and is seeing baby boomers enter the nursing home stage. We may wish we had more immigrants to fill jobs and keep our economy innovative and running in the coming future. It's weird to say that we "can't continue to take this amount of people." Based on what? This has been a claim made for at least 200 years. I was just studying text from the 1910s claiming the same thing. Except, at that time the complaint was against immigrants from eastern Europe. It just stinks of xenophobia.

 

[Bucknutz]

Given a choice between a common room in a church (basement?) and private (dormatory) accommodations, how many do you think preferred the public shelter? Do you think the MV residents should have insisted the migrants stay when better rooms were available? If your point was that the migrants should have been given this opportunity without being sent to MV in the first place, I agree. Staying on the streets should not be acceptable. However, that doesn't mean they were kicked out.

So, you’re saying that MV shouldn’t help with migrants because they were staying at a church. But you expect Texas, California to keep them in the street.
They were kicked out. If they weren’t, out of the 48, why didn’t even 1 person get to stay?

The land is drying up, and there is increased water pressure. This has resulted in a their social structures crumbling, little by little, over the last several years.

That has been going on for years, yet only 1.9 million came over the boarder in 4 years. It’s at 3.3 million in the last 2 years. Something changed.

Just the other day you said it was criminals. But you don’t supply any facts.

You have a plan for walling off the rest of the desert? I missed that.

That was Trump’s plan.

Are you saying that we need to camp the refugees on the southern side of the wall, as Trump did? Are they better off in Mexico, or does that just make you feel better if you can't see them?

There it is, the left implying someone is a racist for wanting limits on immigration. It never fails.

Is Mexico somehow better able to care for these refugees?

So America is the only country that should take on all immigrants without limits. Gotcha, no other country can take care of people, including their own country.

Every answer I have boils down to more resources. We have so much more available to share.

We just have so much to share. We can’t even take care of our own.

550,000 homeless

US Most Populous County Has Over 69,000 Homeless People|News|teleSUR

Water Issues

Cities with the most contaminated tap water in the US

Millions of people are exposed to unsafe drinking water every year in the US. Some cities have it worse than others.

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10% Hunger Rate

Food Insecurity In The U.S. By The Numbers

Before the pandemic, the number of families lacking consistent access to enough food had been steadily falling. Today, new estimates point to some of the worst rates of food insecurity in years.

www.npr.org

I read the article. That $19 billion was in income taxes (not stated outright, but heavily implied when you read paragraphs 9-11, where they only discusses taxes on income.

Of course, I'm sure a centrist like you is noticed that a right-leaning website gave a slightly slanted version of the story.

Look at my history, I post articles from the left, middle and right. That’s why I’m a centrist. I don’t post from brietbart or Enoch times or other crazy right wing sites. But I do post from Vox and the Atlantic which is on the left.
The left likes their echo chamber media sites, just like the right does.

11.9 million students attended full time, 7.5 million students attended part time.

That's a little under $15K/year, my local state college (SIU-E) is over $22K when yo include housing/food, and not including books, computers, etc. So, 70% paid for. Of course, that also doesn't account for the money removed from the economy.

Oh, so you want to pay for college housing now as well.

 

[Bucknutz]

America is also undergoing demographic change and is seeing baby boomers enter the nursing home stage. We may wish we had more immigrants to fill jobs and keep our economy innovative and running in the coming future.

Are these jobs to keep the economy running all entry level jobs. Is innovation taking away many entry level or mid level jobs through automation, software and robotics.

Based off your posting history, you think immigrants can only work in food, hospitality and agriculture.

Based off of indeed job postings today:
Restaurants cooks and servers - 275k jobs
Hotel staff - 120,000 jobs
Agriculture - 10,000 jobs

Let’s add in warehouse, retail and construction
Warehouse - 198,000 jobs
Retail - 1 million jobs
Construction - 265k jobs

Everyone we took in this year, would cover all these jobs. Other than restaurants, the rest of these figures include upper management and higher.

It's weird to say that we "can't continue to take this amount of people." Based on what? This has been a claim made for at least 200 years. I was just studying text from the 1910s claiming the same thing. Except, at that time the complaint was against immigrants from eastern Europe.

So we took in more immigrants than 15 state populations. Last year we took in more immigrants that 10 state populations.
What does this do to our infrastructure? Schools over populated, energy issues (California/Texas), housing pricing, food pricing, transportation, welfare etc…

Like I posted before a city who’s population of 8.3 million is struggling with a few thousand people bussed in. Washington DC, 700k population is having a crisis with a few thousand immigrants.
MV can’t even take on 48 people with a 20k population.

Maybe, just maybe people look at the problem at different angles than just race, like you do.

It just stinks of xenophobia.

Again, Thriller do you only think of race when it comes to every topic? I will call you out on it every time. You can’t debate, just imply someone is racist.

 

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I don’t think Trump’s inflammatory rhetoric from the weekend got enough attention. This is bat **** crazy


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[Deleted member 365]

Are these jobs to keep the economy running all entry level jobs. Is innovation taking away many entry level or mid level jobs through automation, software and robotics.

Based off your posting history, you think immigrants can only work in food, hospitality and agriculture.

Based off of indeed job postings today:
Restaurants cooks and servers - 275k jobs
Hotel staff - 120,000 jobs
Agriculture - 10,000 jobs

Let’s add in warehouse, retail and construction
Warehouse - 198,000 jobs
Retail - 1 million jobs
Construction - 265k jobs

Everyone we took in this year, would cover all these jobs. Other than restaurants, the rest of these figures include upper management and higher.



So we took in more immigrants than 15 state populations. Last year we took in more immigrants that 10 state populations.
What does this do to our infrastructure? Schools over populated, energy issues (California/Texas), housing pricing, food pricing, transportation, welfare etc…

Like I posted before a city who’s population of 8.3 million is struggling with a few thousand people bussed in. Washington DC, 700k population is having a crisis with a few thousand immigrants.
MV can’t even take on 48 people with a 20k population.

Maybe, just maybe people look at the problem at different angles than just race, like you do.


Again, Thriller do you only think of race when it comes to every topic? I will call you out on it every time. You can’t debate, just imply someone is racist.

If you desire people to debate, then you’ve got to quit framing what people say and the issues being debated in a completely dishonest manner. Until then, Why would we waste our time? I certainly won’t.

 

[gandalfe]

This has been a claim made for at least 200 years. I was just studying text from the 1910s claiming the same thing. Except, at that time the complaint was against immigrants from eastern Europe. It just stinks of xenophobia.

There were also complaints about all the Germans, and, of course, earlier., in the immortal words from Mel Brooks, "We'll take the n*****s and the c****s, but we don't want the Irish!"

 

[Deleted member 365]

There were also complaints about all the Germans, and, of course, earlier., in the immortal words from Mel Brooks, "We'll take the n*****s and the c****s, but we don't want the Irish!"

Exactly.

 

[Red]

^^ THIS^^

The final line of your post is why the rest of everything doesn't work and why it what you posted earlier was ultimately a call to authoritarianism. It does not matter how much education there is or on what topics. Human nature makes the absence of emotive-based populism a non-reachable utopia in a system that doesn't retard it. It is exactly why democracies always fail and why a republic is more durable. The structure of a republic places limitations that ignore popularity and by extension place limits on populism. Populism is what is really dangerous and there is no limitation on populism in a democracy.

It was not a call for authoritarianism, but a call not to trash society’s elites. Society’s elites are not authoritarian rulers. We have scientific elites, medical science elites, etc. Today, we have seen the spread of a widespread rejection of authority, of received wisdom, in many areas. People distrust science, they distrust medical science, they distrust religious leaders. And political leaders. And I think gatekeepers can include normative, long established political norms, like the peaceful transfer of power. I did not find Rosenberg’s essay, or interview, as a call to establish authoritarianism, but a warning of what is likely to happen in a democracy. The fact that we are a republic does not seem to eliminate this tendency, though, or at the least a significant % of the American electorate seem to have been captured by a cult of personality, and by the rise of irrational-based conspiracism as their default thinking mode. Being a republic did not prevent Trump’s variant of a right wing populism centered in his cult of personality.

Human nature is human nature, but education can at least help many, and though you may not agree, I see Florida governor DeSantis actually working to prevent Florida public school children, and actually right up to the level of public universities, from developing critical thinking skills, which seems antithetical to any true education.

 

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“aMeRiCa Is FuLl!”

We’re already seeing the negative effects in many respects of the labor shortage. In the near future, we may regret not accepting as many immigrants and asylum seekers as we could have. Economically, it’s been one of our greatest advantages over other competing economies over the past century. For those worried about the Chinese economy in this century, being friendly towards immigrants is a no brainer.

Human rights, morality, and economics should guide our immigration policy, not protectionism and xenophobia.

 

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The fact that we are a republic does not seem to eliminate this tendency

There are no guarantees but the fact that we are a republic has already saved the United States government from sliding into authoritarianism at least once. If not for the guardrails set up at the founding, the United States and most of the world would be controlled by dictators.

By far the greatest populist ever to take control of the United States was FDR, and if the Supreme Court had not struck down FDR's NIRA for overstepping the guardrails then we would have gone the same way as Italy, Germany, Russia, etc. And if we would have gone, then the world would have gone.

As for the elites crying about being questioned or doubted, eff them. No one should be blindly trusted. Show me an elite who whines about being doubted and I'll show you an elite who is pretending to be more certain that they truly are.