The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[One Brow]

eh- forgive me if I see your short dismissive responses as condescending. It feels like you are just continually telling me to shut up rather than discuss anything.

If I want posters to stop posting, I'll be direct. In your case, I just don't care. So far, you're not saying anything interesting.

I think anyone would admit that we have a duoploy. I don't think that a system where 3 parties share less than 2 percent of registered voters should be seriously considered as a 5 party system. 5 parties might actually be enough, but parties outside of the duopoly do need to have some power in government. Like I said its a top vs bottom issue not a left vs right issue.

I agree. Do you have suggestions for achieving this? I'd vote Green if they were less loony.

 

[Mongoose]

Imo the goverment should just stay out of this negotiation. But i understand the fear of the country being shut down and everyone being pissed off at the government for it even if they had nothing to do with it.

My union is in the early stages of negotiation currently. It would be sweet if the government would step in on our behalf and just give us what we want. It would suck if they took away our ability to strike. The correct thing is to probably just stay out of it.

Unless you had a government that was actually representing individuals.
It's pretty crazy how fast they seemed to jump in on this one- they have to jump in right away and squash the workers. It will be interesting to see if they do indeed block a strike by these workers.

 

[LogGrad98]

I would think there would be a higher rate of physical injury, and the need to deal with it's lingering effects, among blue collar workers. I only did construction for about 6 weeks one summer (the company went bankrupt), but it seemed physically taxing. Since transferring to office work, I have never had work-related pain.

From an injury standpoint yes, from a communicable illness standpoint the edge might be to office workers who work in close proximity. In the warehouses the forklift drivers can easily keep separate from each other, the place is big. But I am in relatively close contact with my managers and clerks most of the day, that is where the illnesses spread the most.

 

[Mongoose]

If I want posters to stop posting, I'll be direct. In your case, I just don't care. So far, you're not saying anything interesting.


I agree. Do you have suggestions for achieving this? I'd vote Green if they were less loony.

neither are you- so quit responding to me then. I think you just hate seeing anything negative about democrats posted here.
Not attacking folks for pointing out democrats flaws would be a good start. Maybe even go so far as to acknowledge some flaws.
I apologize for not including a couple of letters and typing democrat instead of democratic-I didn't know it was such a sensitive thing for ya'll die hard warmongering dems

 

[One Brow]

neither are you- so quit responding to me then.

Yes, that's an example of of what I'd say if I wanted you to stop posting. I would never be so presumptuous that I would expect it to work.

I think you just hate seeing anything negative about democrats posted here.

Have I objected to the negative things you posted about Democrats? If you check back, you should see that most of have my responses have not disagreed with you there. I can only recall one poster that treated you hostilely, and he's a thorn in the side of the liberals here.

Not attacking folks for pointing out democrats flaws would be a good start. Maybe even go so far as to acknowledge some flaws.

I don't believe I have attacked you. We liberal posters discuss our dissatisfaction with Democrats generally, and Biden specifically, on a regular basis, with one or two exceptions.

I apologize for not including a couple of letters and typing democrat instead of democratic-I didn't know it was such a sensitive thing for ya'll dems

The use of "Democrat" as an adjective was a creation of Gingrich/Limbaugh/etc. to avoid associating Democrats with democracy. It makes the user look partisan or stupid. Right now, I don't think of you as partisan or stupid, hence the word to the wise.

You seem to have a big chip on your shoulder. This is a fun place to be. Have fun.

 

[fishonjazz]

Found this interesting: The vote to add seven paid sick days for workers, needed 60 votes to pass and fell short with a 52-43 total. Six Republicans -- Lindsey Graham, Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Michael Braun and John Kennedy -- voted to add sick leave while one Democrat, Joe Manchin, voted no.

So looks like according to my math there were 52 yes, lets side with the workers votes. 6 republicans were part of that 52. That would mean that 46 democrats were part of that group.
Then you have 43 no, lets side with the big rich corporation votes. 1 was a democrat (who seems to be more of a DINO anyway) and 36 were republicans.

So it looks to me like the democratic party mostly sided with the workers and the republicans mostly sided with the rich corporation. Which shouldn't surprise anyone.

So the democratic portion of the biden administration sided with the workers and wanted them to get what they wanted. Unfortunately there are a bunch of republicans who are a part of the biden administration as well who were able to thwart the democrats.

Any comments on the vote tally @Mongoose ?

 

[fishonjazz]

President Joe Biden vowed in a statement on Thursday to sign the rail agreement bill "as soon as it comes to my desk,"

"I know that many in Congress shared my reluctance to override the union ratification procedures," he said. "But in this case, the consequences of a shutdown were just too great for working families all across the country. And, the agreement will raise workers’ wages by 24%, increase health care benefits, and preserve two person crews."

Biden said he'd work to further support paid sick leave.

"I have long been a supporter of paid sick leave for workers in all industries – not just the rail industry – and my fight for that critical benefit continues," he said.

Congress' move to end the labor fight came as the White House emphasized that they thought lawmakers must send legislation "by this weekend" to avert a work stoppage or the nation could see potentially “devastating effects," given how much of the economy relies on rail to move goods.

At Biden's urging, the House on Wednesday passed a law enforcing the September tentative agreement plus separate legislation to add sick days for workers, which had become a major sticking point in the unsuccessful negotiations.

Kennedy said he "disagreed" with Biden's call on Congress to pass legislation to try and avert a strike, saying it takes away their ability to go on strike.

"I still believe that President Biden is the most pro-union president that there is, based on my experience in life. Now, with that being said, I disagree with his call on Congress.

Sanders had been urging his colleagues to consider boosting paid leave provisions for the rail workers and spoke on the floor between votes on Thursday.

“Workers who do difficult and dangerous work have zero paid sick days. Zero. You get sick, you’ve got a mark against you. Couple of marks, you get fired. This cannot and must not happen in America in 2022,” he said.

 

[fishonjazz]

I found this funny:
“Union bosses & Biden sold out the workers to make a deal,” Rubio then wrote in a Wednesday tweet.

Cruz, R-Texas,, said earlier on Thursday that Republicans were “the party of railroad union workers.”

On the quote from Rubio, from what I can see biden isn't part of the senate and didn't get a vote. Im guessing if he did get a vote then he would have voted in favor of the workers getting sick leave with the rest of the democratic portion of his administration.

On the quote from Cruz. LOL The party of railroad union workers overwhelmingly voted against the railroad union workers. Hilarious statement by Cruz.

 

[One Brow]

On the quote from Cruz. LOL The part of railroad union workers overwhelmingly voted against the railroad union workers. Hilarious statement by Cruz.

At least Cruz himself voted in favor.

 

[fishonjazz]

At least Cruz himself voted in favor.

Agreed. A bit of stretch to act as if the entire party is the party of railroad union workers after the majority voted against them though.

 

[fishonjazz]

BTW, Holy crap they got wage increase of 24%!!! in this deal!

I got 2.5% increase in my last union contract. Oh and as I said, I have no paid sick days.

 

[fishonjazz]

An even more unlikely third scenario might be to support the god damn workers! Could you imagine if a company making 21 billion in profits every year were forced to spend a few million on paid leave for its workers? gasp!!!

Wanted to circle back to this post after reading more about this issue.

You think that the biden administration should support the god damn workers! Unfortunately the biden administration isn't 1 thing. Its lots of people from mulitple parties. Looks like Biden and the vast majority of democrats do support the god damn workers. Unfortunately there are too many republicans in the Biden administration.

Im sure you (mongoose) will be posting in this thread again any minute now praising the democratic part for having so many votes in favor of the workers! While also chastising the republican party for having so few votes in favor of the workers. Any minute now im sure.