The costs of gay marriage

[Sandy Braille]

Regardless, I'm done with this conversation. You can all keep telling yourselves that this is a sign that America is going to grant people freedom to murder and rape people. Keep telling yourselves that morals have never really changed until recently. Keep longing for the 'good old days', a humorous societal construct where the Christianity of 300 years ago would not be able to recognize popular Christian faith of today. Keep drawing parallels between a homosexual couple and an incestuous couple, despite their several important fundamental differences.

And most importantly: keep continuing to push your perspectives of faith, and morals, onto the legal system of a country that is supposed to be inclusive of views outside your own, as long as they are not harming society. Because your faith, and your homophobic morals derived from your faith, are something that we should push onto a country of 300 million people.

 

[babe]

Regardless, I'm done with this conversation. You can all keep telling yourselves that this is a sign that America is going to grant people freedom to murder and rape people. Keep telling yourselves that morals have never really changed until recently. Keep longing for the 'good old days', a humorous societal construct where the Christianity of 300 years ago would not be able to recognize popular Christian faith of today. Keep drawing parallels between a homosexual couple and an incestuous couple, despite their several important fundamental differences.

And most importantly: keep continuing to push your perspectives of faith, and morals, onto the legal system of a country that is supposed to be inclusive of views outside your own, as long as they are not harming society. Because your faith, and your homophobic morals derived from your faith, are something that we should push onto a country of 300 million people.

Well, you're clearly so deeply immersed in this world view you can't see the irony of your progressive agenda imposing your way on a nation of 360 million human beings who mostly don't really think the way you do.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Regardless, I'm done with this conversation. You can all keep telling yourselves that this is a sign that America is going to grant people freedom to murder and rape people. Keep telling yourselves that morals have never really changed until recently. Keep longing for the 'good old days', a humorous societal construct where the Christianity of 300 years ago would not be able to recognize popular Christian faith of today. Keep drawing parallels between a homosexual couple and an incestuous couple, despite their several important fundamental differences.

And most importantly: keep continuing to push your perspectives of faith, and morals, onto the legal system of a country that is supposed to be inclusive of views outside your own, as long as they are not harming society. Because your faith, and your homophobic morals derived from your faith, are something that we should push onto a country of 300 million people.

Luckily very few share the wrong opinion that this psuedointellectual shares.

 

[moevillini]

washington (the borowitz report)—Justice Antonin Scalia dropped a bombshell on the supreme court today, announcing his decision to resign from the court “effective immediately” and leave the united states forever.

Calling this week “by far the worst week of my life,” Justice Scalia lashed out at his fellow-justices and the nation, saying, “i don’t want to live in a sick, sick country that thinks the way this country apparently thinks.”

Justice Scalia said that he had considered fleeing to Canada, “but they not only have gay marriage but also national health care, which is almost as evil.”

He said the fact that nations around the world recognizing same-sex marriage are “falling like deviant dominoes” would not deter him from leaving the united states: “there are plenty of other countries that still feel the way i do. I’ll move to Iran if i have to.”

Throwing off his robe in a dramatic gesture, justice scalia reserved his harshest parting shot for his fellow-justices, screaming, “Damn you! Damn each and every one of you to hell! You call yourself judges? That’s a good one. You’re nothing but animals!”

Breathing heavily after his tirade, he turned to Justice Clarence Thomas and said, “Except you, cCarence. Are you coming with me?”

Justice Thomas said nothing in reply.

Read more: https://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/03/bitter-scalia-leaves-us.html

lol

 

[moevillini]

So, does anyone have any CONCLUSIVE PROOF that growing up in a gay or lesbian household is harmful to children? Harmful to society? I haven't seen any yet.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

So, does anyone have any CONCLUSIVE PROOF that growing up in a gay or lesbian household is harmful to children? Harmful to society? I haven't seen any yet.

What do you consider CONCLUSIVE PROOF?

What do you consider harmful to children, what do you consider harmful to society?

I'm pretty sure the answer changes depending on your definitions.

Those definitions usually vary to some degree depending on the outlook of the individual. What I see as harmful is probably much different than what you think harmful is.

 

[Sneakers]

Well, you're clearly so deeply immersed in this world view you can't see the irony of your progressive agenda imposing your way on a nation of 360 million human beings who mostly don't really think the way you do.

Rofl, keep whining about the progressive agenda. Its hilarious. "Imposing your way"... never mind the fact that most if not all metrics I've seen indicate at worst an equal number of Americans pro and against gay marriage.

 

[TheStormofWar]

Few thoughts on this, in more a Q&A format.

Q: Homosexuality is a sin.
A: I cannot attest to Islamic or Jewish thoughts, but as far as Christianity, this is iffy. The Bible, in Leviticus, is seems clear on this. Lev. 18:22 "Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable." Also, Lev. 20:13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Alright. But make sure you include salt in your daily prayers to Yahweh (Lev. 2:13), that you bathe your animal before petting it (Lev. 5:2), that your jeans have no holes (Lev. 10:6), you are certain about the contents of your hot dog, (Lev. 11:4-7), didn't have the lobster (Lev. 11:10-12), aren't so randy as to nail anything that moves (Lev. all of Chapter 18), are certain that it's a 100% cotton blend t-shirt (Lev. 19:19), and keep your appointment for laser tattoo removal (Lev. 19:28). Folks are picky about what they choose to follow anyway and have been for centuries. We've not been struck dead yet.

So what about the Big Guy? Well, according to biblical records, Christ never mentioned it. Not once. He must not really care. Between some ranting towards the Romans and what he said, it maybe wiser to follow his example.

Q: Isn't Homosexuality a mental disorder?
A: No. The World Health Organization AND American Psychiatric Association are extremely explicit on this fact. The APA for 40 years at least.

Q: Homosexuality isn't natural.
A: Humans are not the only animal to exhibit those traits. Animals from Lions to Sea Horses have been seen and documented displaying such behavior. Keep in mind, these are "unthinking" beasts, so this may not be much of a choice. The jury is still out on that, but it's irrelevant to me.

Q: What about the children? Traditional Marriage is best for the kids!
A: What about them? Several studies have been done regarding this question and have concluded that there is no harm to children whom are raised in a non-traditional marriage. For that matter, most of the them are more well adjusted than other kids.

As far as traditional marriage, well that 50% divorce rate is sure great, isn't it?

In the end, as far as my hetero-manly mind can come up with is a simple question.

Q: Is it right to tell two consenting adults whom love each other they can't marry?
A: No, it's not. It's not unnatural, the sin is selective, and there is no harm to society. Our country was founded on the rights of people to do whatever the hell they want, provided no harm is done to another party. It is wrong, in that pretext, to tell two folks who love each other they can't enjoy those benefits that I have with my wife.

As far as how they consummate that marriage isn't my deal. Lawrence v. Texas made it clear that it's fine. Loving v. VA made marriage a civil right (exact wording). To me, the only arguments that are left are simply based on fear.

Fear is a reflex, an unthinking stance that people have to what they don't understand. Courage is a choice. In my own case, I choose to make that choice.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

There is no point in arguing with Spazz. People like him have their biased opinion drilled in their head from birth and it is set in stone. Don't waste your time trying to explain to this guy how humans SHOULD treat eachother.

 

[moevillini]

What do you consider CONCLUSIVE PROOF?

What do you consider harmful to children, what do you consider harmful to society?

I'm pretty sure the answer changes depending on your definitions.

Those definitions usually vary to some degree depending on the outlook of the individual. What I see as harmful is probably much different than what you think harmful is.

Anything and everything can be equivocated.


OK, give me some concrete examples where a child raised in a household with two parents of the same sex/gender acted in a manner that caused grave damage to some segment of society?

I'm saying that I don't think such conclusive proof exists. If you think it does, let me know what fits that category for you.

 

[DutchJazzer]

homosexual marriage is bad mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay

 

[TheStormofWar]

Homosexuality was, and probably still is in certain states, illegal by proxy via anti-sodomy laws.

Actually, this is incorrect. Lawrence v. Texas (2003) struck these down wholesale. States still have them on the books, including Utah, but they are unenforceable. Homosexuality is not illegal.