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The Honesty of Transgender Identity

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NUMBERICA said:
And you don’t even deny it.

You and your ilk are relegated to the kid’s table of public discourse because you’ve earned it. Having low expectations of you is a kindness.
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why would i deny it. the word racist bigot has lost ALL MEANING!

the time for denying it and saying sorry has past.

just saying you are worse!!!!!!!!! these words have lost meaning.

people cried nazi/racist/bigot one too many times.
 
DutchJazzer said:
why would i deny it. the word racist bigot has lost ALL MEANING!

the time for denying it and saying sorry has past.

just saying you are worse!!!!!!!!! these words have lost meaning.

people cried nazi/racist/bigot one too many times.
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Your agenda is to make them lose meaning.

There is a whole world of people that understand what’s right and what’s wrong, and I’m not sure you’ve even dipped your toe in it. So I understand you’re probably just speaking what you believe is truth, even though it’s informed through willful ignorance.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Your agenda is to make them lose meaning.

There is a whole world of people that understand what’s right and what’s wrong, and I’m not sure you’ve even dipped your toe in it. So I understand you’re probably just speaking what you believe is truth, even though it’s informed through willful ignorance.
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lol the left has been doing this forever?


am i a racist? who the **** knows what it means.
do i treat people different based on race? NO! hell NO!
do i make jokes related on race?(like a jew, a XXXXX and a YYYYY walk into a bar) HELL YES

am i a sexist? who the **** knows what it means
do i treat people different based on sex? YES! HELL YES! i fart in front of my male friends, and i open door for women

am i homophobic? who the **** knows
do i treat gays different? HELL NO! even when one personally harrased me and grabbed me by the penis. i was polite!
do i think a wedding is between a man and a woman. HELL YES! seeing as a marriage is a contract that binds kids to a father

am I trans phobic? who the **** knows what trans-phobic means
people can do as they please. you wanna dress up like a woman, go ahead
do i think you should be spouting your trans agenda in front of my children? no gtfo
you be you, en let me be me and leave me or my kids alone if i so wish. and i will leave you alone and not apply force or laws to your live

am i a nazi? yes i do know what a nazi is!
I am a jew, and i am certainly not a socialist! so how the **** can i be a nazi
todays left sounds an awfull lot like national socialist. but they dropped the nationalist part
they call for white genocide because of white privilege, sound slike the holocaust jews had this special privilige. they ruled the world and financial industy

what else is left?
am i alt right? who knows what the **** it means.
i think i am because the people that get called alt right like ben shapiro, gavin mcinnis, steven crowder. i tend to agree with them on most stuff! I SAID MOST STUFF not ALL

ooh here is a fun one.
Am i An islamophobe? probably but i am not scared of islamism. because i know i can fight it.
let me clarify. do i believe you should be able to practice your religion of islam. yes i do.
here comes the kicker. do i believe you should force your culture on islam on the rest of the world. and enforce sharia law on the rest of the world. NO GTFO
i have nothing against the religion islam. but i think the political system islamism is like communism. it's wrong!
muslims are ok in my book. islamist can gtfo.(this will prolly get me banned wont be suprised. see you guys in 6 months)

am i a zionist! HELL YEAH!
israel belongs to the jews. so gtfo!


any other buzzwords you want me to tackle, maybe fascist. fun fact if you read the books of the founder of facism giovani gentili you will notice fascism is a variation on socialism
 
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Did you guys know the North Korea is a democratic republic nation? Oh you didn't think they were because they don't actually have any legitimate democratic institutions or political processes? Well, news flash dumb asses, it's the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea! It says what they are right in their name. Their actions can't undo their name. If they are called the Democratic People's Republic of... then they are a Democratic People's Republic. Boom! Case closed. You lose. Neener-neener.

[puts hands over ears]
I can't hear you.
I'm not listening to you.
You're wrong.
 
Bulletproof said:
Did you guys know the North Korea is a democratic republic nation? Oh you didn't think they were because they don't actually have any legitimate democratic institutions or political processes? Well, news flash dumb asses, it's the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea! It says what they are right in their name. Their actions can't undo their name. If they are called the Democratic People's Republic of... then they are a Democratic People's Republic. Boom! Case closed. You lose. Neener-neener.

[puts hands over ears]
I can't hear you.
I'm not listening to you.
You're wrong.
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but hitlers party wanst only called national socialist.
he called himself a national socialist
his book meinf kampf is all about socialism
and his government implemented for 93% socialist policies.

as far as i know kim young un doesnt call himself a president or other republic leader.
as far as i know in his speeches he doesnt talk about republican principles
dont know if wrote a book. but if he did i bet you he isnt spouting democratic republic ideals.
and as far as we know his govenrment isnt implementing republican or democratic policies.


those 2 things differ.
 
jope said:
It has been my understanding that race is more closely related to biology, while ethnicity is culture/heritage. My wife is a caucasian (race) Hispanic (ethnicity) woman.

How much melanin you have, what color your skin is, the susceptibility to sickle cell anemia, or how anesthesia affects you is biological, are all closely tied to racial constructs. Much of race (and scientific classification and nomenclature in general) is indeed appearance based. But there are also unseen biological differences between races as well. Where things get muddy is that humans haven’t succumbed to isolated speciation and are intertacially procreating.
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JAZZGASM said:
There are pros and cons for every societal enforced idea whether it be monogamy or celibacy.
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The men who are part of the incel movement, for the most part, come across as entitled, whiny, and completely lacking in empathy. If they are celibate, it is from their behavior, not any enforcement from society.

JAZZGASM said:
Even truly forced marriage has been shown to have more stability than the choose your own adventure model.
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Define "stability". Denmark is as stable as ever, even while marriage is on the decline.
 
"Don't call transgender people mentally ill if you believe a man in the clouds loves you unconditionally, but under certain conditions."

I saw this quote on Reddit yesterday and was like, well, you got a point.
 
So this is a thread I started before I was "out" as a parent of a transgender child.

I got my other thread closed for things not related to the issue at hand (or at least I assume so, you were vague AF @Jason I honestly wondered if you closed the thread because discussion of transgenderism was not appropriate for jazzfanz for a second before I finally remembered how stupid of a post I had made).

So there was a lot of denial when I first posted this. But this is a thing. People treat the issue like they are being tricked. Like it's about them, not about the transgender person. The whole, "can I identify as Chinese" joke. That joke obviously portrays this as an issue where someone is pretending to be something they are not. If you think that joke is funny you obviously also think transgender people are, on some level, being dishonest and/or pretending.

I'd like to discuss that view.
 
I think it's a lot like the old standby discussions regarding faith, for example how can you describe the color blue if you've never seen it before, or how do you describe what an orange tastes like if you've never had citrus before. I think for a lot of people it is so foreign that it defies understanding, and frankly most people are afraid, on some level, of things they do not understand. I think that's where a lot of that comes from. Just my $0.02
 
Gameface said:
So this is a thread I started before I was "out" as a parent of a transgender child.

I got my other thread closed for things not related to the issue at hand (or at least I assume so, you were vague AF @Jason I honestly wondered if you closed the thread because discussion of transgenderism was not appropriate for jazzfanz for a second before I finally remembered how stupid of a post I had made).

So there was a lot of denial when I first posted this. But this is a thing. People treat the issue like they are being tricked. Like it's about them, not about the transgender person. The whole, "can I identify as Chinese" joke. That joke obviously portrays this as an issue where someone is pretending to be something they are not. If you think that joke is funny you obviously also think transgender people are, on some level, being dishonest and/or pretending.

I'd like to discuss that view.
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I think you, myself and many others have been educated and more informed about transgender on Jazzfanz over the years.

I don't think that joke is funny. I can see the point people try to make while saying it, if I'm going to be perfectly honest. Do you?
 
LogGrad98 said:
I think it's a lot like the old standby discussions regarding faith, for example how can you describe the color blue if you've never seen it before, or how do you describe what an orange tastes like if you've never had citrus before. I think for a lot of people it is so foreign that it defies understanding, and frankly most people are afraid, on some level, of things they do not understand. I think that's where a lot of that comes from. Just my $0.02
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I enjoy reading up on the origins of expressions. Two-cents is one I haven't read about until now. lol
(yes, I know the expression - again, I like reading about their origins - some expressions have really interesting beginnings.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_two_cents
 
Gameface said:
I got my other thread closed for things not related to the issue at hand (or at least I assume so, you were vague AF @Jason I honestly wondered if you closed the thread because discussion of transgenderism was not appropriate for jazzfanz for a second before I finally remembered how stupid of a post I had made).
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Thread closure was unrelated to transgender issues.
 
Admittedly I dont understand the transgender thing.

Let's say you were a girl who felt like you were a boy. If you had never seen or heard of a boy ever in your life and your tribe or community was made soley of girls, how would you know were a boy on the inside? The scenario of you wanting a sex change wouldnt exist. You would just be what you are.

Mentally, gender is a social construct. Biologically it is not.

So imo, society, friends, parents, personal experience, etc is what is influencing people to want a sex change. Its not something you come up with on your own because you are getting signals from inside that you are a different sex.

When someone says they they are a boy or girl trapped in the opposite sex's body, Im not sure I buy that. It very well could be just a phase, which a lot of times it turns out to be.

Should transgender people have the same rights as everyone else? Absolutely, dress and act however you want. Also, leave kids under 18 alone. Thats the thing that bugs me. Parents transitioning their youngs kids is abhorrent and should be illegal.
 
Archie Moses said:
I think you, myself and many others have been educated and more informed about transgender on Jazzfanz over the years.

I don't think that joke is funny. I can see the point people try to make while saying it, if I'm going to be perfectly honest. Do you?
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Yes I get the point of the joke. It is pretty similar to the "joke" that sprang up in regard to gay marriage, the "What are we gonna do next, let people marry their dog?" one. It is obviously comparing transgender identity to an absurdity, implying that it is just some arbitrary decision and specifically that it is a decision to be something that you are not.

I suppose you could claim that in addition to the things I've mentioned, it is making a comparison to something that we would generally find offensive, a caucasian person identifying as an Asian person. Making the point that a person with privilege assumes the identity of a group that has endured oppression. Now expecting all of the empathy while having suffered none of the consequences.
 
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