The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[One Brow]

A good example would be the white professor that identified as being black.

By any account, she's (I presume you mean Dolezal) a troubled woman, who among other things avoided a conviction for fraud by entering a special program. She's not a good example.

 

[One Brow]

Well, it can't be both because your knowledge of the opposite sex is external. Its a social construct. You only want to change sex because of what you are observing on the outside. If you never saw or heard of the opposite sex you would not even be thinking about it.

If there were one birth sex, and multiple genders, people would still want to change genders.

What I mean by leave the kids alone is not allowing or suggesting hormone therapy on kids. If the kid wants to dress and act like the opposite sex then fine, but starting hormone therapy on kids is BS, even if they ask for it. You dont think so?

Hormone therapy on prepubescent children is irresponsible. As for when puberty comes, I don't feel that I am in a better position to decide than the children's doctor.

 

[Archie Moses]

By any account, she's (I presume you mean Dolezal) a troubled woman, who among other things avoided a conviction for fraud by entering a special program. She's not a good example.

So because she has trouble with other things that voids the example of her race being fluid?

I don't understand your logic.

 

[One Brow]

So because she has trouble with other things that voids the example of her race being fluid?

I don't understand your logic.

Yes, when people are near-convicted of fraud, it means you need to take their claims with a larger degree of skepticism. Do you disagree?

 

[Archie Moses]

Yes, when people are near-convicted of fraud, it means you need to take their claims with a larger degree of skepticism. Do you disagree?

So, if a transgender person is convicted of fraud at some point in their life, then they're not transgender?

Yeah, man. I disagree with your logic.

 

[Gameface]

There are women who feel the same way about transgender people born male. Some say it's offensive because they don't know what it's like being a female and the troubles females have in society. (Although, to me, transgender people have had it far worse than women - generally speaking.)

Yeah, I'm familiar with that. It's a form of feminism called "gender critical."

 

[Gameface]

To me, the people who said, what's next, letting people marry their dog is far more ignorant and offensive.


Correct me if I'm wrong but gender, race and ethnicity are all social constructs. Why is it more absurd if someone feels they're a different race than someone who feels they were born with the wrong genitals?

Yes, race and gender are social constructs. But what, other than a spectrum of skin tones, defines one "race" vs another? If I want to be Chinese what would that mean? I can live culturally similar, very similar if not exactly the same, as any Chinese person. And while there are many people with Chinese heritage and/or people who came to the U.S. from China, they can live and act in many different ways, they can become completely "Americanized." Those who are a few generations deep in the U.S. I'm sure share little cultural identity with mainland Chinese people.

So if I say I'm Chinese as a race, what happens next? Being that race doesn't tie me to any particular cultural behaviours because people who are from China are not bound to Chinese culture.

 

[Archie Moses]

Yes, race and gender are social constructs. But what, other than a spectrum of skin tones, defines one "race" vs another? If I want to be Chinese what would that mean? I can live culturally similar, very similar if not exactly the same, as any Chinese person. And while there are many people with Chinese heritage and/or people who came to the U.S. from China, they can live and act in many different ways, they can become completely "Americanized." Those who are a few generations deep in the U.S. I'm sure share little cultural identity with mainland Chinese people.

So if I say I'm Chinese as a race, what happens next? Being that race doesn't tie me to any particular cultural behaviours because people who are from China are not bound to Chinese culture.

Yeah, I further clarified a response in my response to OB.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Yeah, I'm familiar with that. It's a form of feminism called "gender critical."

I can understand why some feminists are "gender critical" when a biological man in his sixties transitions into a woman and immediately wins the "Woman of the Year Award".

 

[Gameface]

I can understand why some feminists are "gender critical" when a biological man in his sixties transitions into a woman and immediately wins the "Woman of the Year Award".

The "woman of the year award" is what you see as the backbone of gender critical feminists, or TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists) views on tans women?

 

[Hekate]

I can understand why some feminists are "gender critical" when a biological man in his sixties transitions into a woman and immediately wins the "Woman of the Year Award".

Feels more like some women don't like the idea of feminism evolving and changing focus. It's awfully similar to reaction men had to the 1st and 2nd wave of feminism.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

The "woman of the year award" is what you see as the backbone of gender critical feminists, or TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists) views on tans women?

I don't understand the question and I have never heard the term TERF.

I would imagine that if you polled women who consider themselves feminists, the majority would prefer that Feminism focus on advocating women's rights and the equality of sexes.